Your only watch, $5000 budget

0b5cur1ty · Sep 20, 2009

Originally Posted by radicaldog

The Nomos Club auto sounds like a very interesting proposition. How can they be so cheap if they manufacture their own movements? (Forgive the newbie question, please.)
The answer revolves around things like margins, marketing and distribution costs. Have you ever seen a glossy print advert for Nomos (or Dornbluth, for that matter)? Furthermore, wristwatches have what are among the most insane profit margins of all luxury goods (probably only beaten by womens' handbags).

Bear in mind that the most in-house manufacture of all is Seiko - and a typical Seiko 5 (a superb automatic wristwatch, by the way) will set you back little more than 50 euros if you buy it in the right place.

niwawa · Sep 20, 2009

Why so many people hate Rolex? I used to be a rolex hater (don't like that"fish eye" date indicator). But after got a seadweller, I know If I only can have one watch, that will be the seadweller. It's robust, accurate, and classic. All factors for the only watch for a man. It should be in your budget if you buy form grey market or second hand.

scb · Sep 20, 2009

Originally Posted by Mathew J

5k, one watch and only one watch....either a new style cal 8500 aqua terra or an hour vision

radicaldog · Sep 20, 2009

Originally Posted by 0b5cur1ty

The answer revolves around things like margins, marketing and distribution costs. Have you ever seen a glossy print advert for Nomos (or Dornbluth, for that matter)? Furthermore, wristwatches have what are among the most insane profit margins of all luxury goods (probably only beaten by womens' handbags).

Bear in mind that the most in-house manufacture of all is Seiko - and a typical Seiko 5 (a superb automatic wristwatch, by the way) will set you back little more than 50 euros if you buy it in the right place.

That makes sense. In fact I remember that some years ago (2001/2002 or so) I nearly bought a very nice Glashuette for little over 1k Euros at an authorised dealer in Italy. I ended up buying an Eberhard for around 1.5k instead, and shortly afterwords I started really regretting that choice -- they're now much better known than they were then, and they cost much more, but I doubt that quality has gone up.

As for the Seiko, could you please explain in what sense it is the 'most in-house of all'? Is it because their movements are the least derivative ones?

chuckseabreeze · Sep 20, 2009

Originally Posted by radicaldog

As for the Seiko, could you please explain in what sense it is the 'most in-house of all'? Is it because their movements are the least derivative ones?
Their movements, cases, crystals, etc are all in house. Basically the whole watch.

0b5cur1ty · Sep 20, 2009

Originally Posted by chuckseabreeze

Their movements, cases, crystals, etc are all in house. Basically the whole watch.
Indeed, even the lubricant oils for the movements are produced in house.

LabelKing · Sep 20, 2009

radicaldog · Sep 20, 2009

Originally Posted by 0b5cur1ty

Indeed, even the lubricant oils for the movements are produced in house.
Interesting. So why is it that most watch buffs would nearly always prefer something made in Geneva or in Glashuette over a Grand Seiko of comparable quality? It just sounds as though Seiko is more horological, if you see what I mean.

radicaldog · Sep 20, 2009

Originally Posted by LabelKing

TheWraith · Sep 20, 2009

Originally Posted by radicaldog

Interesting. So why is it that most watch buffs would nearly always prefer something made in Geneva or in Glashuette over a Grand Seiko of comparable quality? It just sounds as though Seiko is more horological, if you see what I mean.

It's because many people don't get it. The Japan-only Seiko's are some of the finest watches in the world. But some people 'poo-poo' anything not made in Switzerland/Europe.

Flambeur · Sep 20, 2009

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0b5cur1ty · Sep 20, 2009

Originally Posted by radicaldog

Interesting. So why is it that most watch buffs would nearly always prefer something made in Geneva or in Glashuette over a Grand Seiko of comparable quality? It just sounds as though Seiko is more horological, if you see what I mean.

Originally Posted by TheWraith

It's because many people don't get it. The Japan-only Seiko's are some of the finest watches in the world. But some people 'poo-poo' anything not made in Switzerland/Europe.

Whilst it's absolutely true that many people (and most western consumers) don't get it, I wouldn't say that most watch buffs don't. Check out Timezone and the other watch fora and you'll see high-end Seikos are generally held in very high regard - rightly so.

TheWraith · Sep 20, 2009

Originally Posted by 0b5cur1ty

Whilst it's absolutely true that many people (and most western consumers) don't get it, I wouldn't say that most watch buffs don't. Check out Timezone and the other watch fora and you'll see high-end Seikos are generally held in very high regard - rightly so.

I totally agree with you.

DrZRM · Sep 20, 2009

+1

Those Grand Seikos are unbelievable watches. Work of art!

radicaldog · Sep 20, 2009

Hmm... looking at those Grand Seikos I'm beginning to toy with the idea that a high-end quartz movement may be more chic than a mechanical one. It could be an "I don't care, I just want an excellent timekeeper" sort of thing. The Duke of Windsor did prefer a zip fly for his trousers, after all (and so do I -- I always did, even before I knew about Windsor and much to the incredulity of my tailor, who is used to my many vintage quirks).

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