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post #121 of 168
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Originally Posted by atwoodka View Post

Traveler vs. Signature Tux?
In my opinion the Traveler looks more like the traditional tux with great contrast between jacket and lapel, where the Signature has an overall "shiney" finish, with little distinction between jacket & lapel,giving it more of a traditional suit appearance.  The Signature shine makes the color appear to be a deep grey when placed next to the Traveler which appears solid black.  The Signature fabric weight is lighter making the overall feel to be less substantial, even dare I say even a bit "feminine".  The Signature shine also made it appeared wrinkled with every crease, where the Traveler looked smooth, polished. masculine.
With the current sale, there is no difference in price between the two, so that is not a consideration.....just the overall appearance.
Question: If two men you just met walked into a room, one wearing a Traveler, the other a Signature....would you noticed the difference?  Which would you admire more?

I prefer the signature, as it has a more classic design - peak lapels and single button and no vents. I don't know that I would admire either person.
post #122 of 168

When I first started suit shopping I went into Joseph Banks. At first I liked it, but now I feel kind of taken advantage of. Why do I need to spend $899 to get 3 suits, 2 shirts, and 2 ties? Why can't I just pay $299 for 1 suit? I am going to be honest, Joseph suits are not worth $899. $800 is the starting price of Super 120S Imperial Wools. In the first post you said you wanted to alleviate bad reputation regarding Joseph Bank. I didn't have any biases or preconceived notions before. But now I feel very taken advantage of. And from what I have read it seems to me most people feel the same way. I almost bought a Slim Fit suit only to find out you wanted $899 for a fused suit. I would think who ever is making the decision for your pricing and lines would realize this.

post #123 of 168
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Originally Posted by msulinski View Post


I prefer the signature, as it has a more classic design - peak lapels and single button and no vents. I don't know that I would admire either person.

Thanks!  BTW, I didn't mean which person would you admire, but rather, which suit ! 

post #124 of 168
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Originally Posted by jbernard View Post

When I first started suit shopping I went into Joseph Banks. At first I liked it, but now I feel kind of taken advantage of. Why do I need to spend $899 to get 3 suits, 2 shirts, and 2 ties? Why can't I just pay $299 for 1 suit? I am going to be honest, Joseph suits are not worth $899. $800 is the starting price of Super 120S Imperial Wools. In the first post you said you wanted to alleviate bad reputation regarding Joseph Bank. I didn't have any biases or preconceived notions before. But now I feel very taken advantage of. And from what I have read it seems to me most people feel the same way. I almost bought a Slim Fit suit only to find out you wanted $899 for a fused suit. I would think who ever is making the decision for your pricing and lines would realize this.

 

I needed a suit in a hurry for a wedding.  We went to the local JAB, but they didn't have a suit I liked in my size, and not enough time to special order.  We went to the local outlet that had a JAB, Brooks Brothers, Calvin Kline, and several other men's stores.  To my shock, JAB had a very large selection in all sizes, far more than the others.  Walked out with a $800 suit for under $200, including a shirt and 2 ties.  Felt llike we stole it!  Tailoring wasn't available in our time frame, so we had the pants hemmed at a local tailor. 

Just something you might want to look into for times you want a single suit or a great price without having to wait for a sale. 

Their current promotion buy one at 50%, second suit free, rolled around just in time for my upcoming wedding.  Was able to get 2 matching tuxes (for myself and my son) and also a suit for each of us as well, for the price of one suit.  Couldn't beat the deal.  Was able to purchase us both tuxes for the same exact price it would have cost us to rent tuxes that who knows how many other sweaty grooms have danced the night away in previously.

If you have time, get to know your local salesman, tell him what you are looking for and they will notify you early on of upcoming sales.  I'm waiting for the next shirt sale to get a good deal on the tux shirts & accessories!

post #125 of 168
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Originally Posted by atwoodka View Post

 

I needed a suit in a hurry for a wedding.  We went to the local JAB, but they didn't have a suit I liked in my size, and not enough time to special order.  We went to the local outlet that had a JAB, Brooks Brothers, Calvin Kline, and several other men's stores.  To my shock, JAB had a very large selection in all sizes, far more than the others.  Walked out with a $800 suit for under $200, including a shirt and 2 ties.  Felt llike we stole it!  Tailoring wasn't available in our time frame, so we had the pants hemmed at a local tailor. 

Just something you might want to look into for times you want a single suit or a great price without having to wait for a sale. 

Their current promotion buy one at 50%, second suit free, rolled around just in time for my upcoming wedding.  Was able to get 2 matching tuxes (for myself and my son) and also a suit for each of us as well, for the price of one suit.  Couldn't beat the deal.  Was able to purchase us both tuxes for the same exact price it would have cost us to rent tuxes that who knows how many other sweaty grooms have danced the night away in previously.

If you have time, get to know your local salesman, tell him what you are looking for and they will notify you early on of upcoming sales.  I'm waiting for the next shirt sale to get a good deal on the tux shirts & accessories!

 

Thanks for the info. But it doesn't solve my problem, the fact that Joseph Bank is clearly playing us for fools. Their top suit they charge $2000 without any sale. The bespoke suit I just bought cost $2000. It is outrageous that they mark their suits up so much and then do 'sales'. The only suits they have in the store that fit me well are joseph slim fits and platinum suits. And yet they cost $300 - $1000 on sale. I would never pay $300 for a fused suit. And with no customization option $1000 is way to much!

post #126 of 168
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Originally Posted by atwoodka View Post

I needed a suit in a hurry for a wedding.  We went to the local JAB, but they didn't have a suit I liked in my size, and not enough time to special order.  We went to the local outlet that had a JAB, Brooks Brothers, Calvin Kline, and several other men's stores.  To my shock, JAB had a very large selection in all sizes, far more than the others.  Walked out with a $800 suit for under $200, including a shirt and 2 ties.  Felt llike we stole it!  Tailoring wasn't available in our time frame, so we had the pants hemmed at a local tailor. 
Just something you might want to look into for times you want a single suit or a great price without having to wait for a sale. 
Their current promotion buy one at 50%, second suit free, rolled around just in time for my upcoming wedding.  Was able to get 2 matching tuxes (for myself and my son) and also a suit for each of us as well, for the price of one suit.  Couldn't beat the deal.  Was able to purchase us both tuxes for the same exact price it would have cost us to rent tuxes that who knows how many other sweaty grooms have danced the night away in previously.
If you have time, get to know your local salesman, tell him what you are looking for and they will notify you early on of upcoming sales.  I'm waiting for the next shirt sale to get a good deal on the tux shirts & accessories!

I hear the JAB ad voice while reading this.
post #127 of 168
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Originally Posted by P-K-L View Post


I hear the JAB ad voice while reading this.

Hey, I'll promote a good deal anytime, just in case someone is in the market!  Unfortunately we did not like the vests & ties that JAB had to offer, so we are going to a custom clothier in Philly to have them made for our tuxedos. When all is said and done, there are several buying options out there for everone's needs.  It is unrealistic to expect one store to be all things to all people. 

post #128 of 168
"Walked out with a $800 suit for under $200, including a shirt and 2 ties. Felt like we stole it!"

No, you paid $200 for a $150 suit, a $30 shirt and two $10 ties. You did not "steal it", you paid fair market value (or a bit more). Even at $200, they made money on the sale. I have yet to see an $800 suit at JAB.

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Originally Posted by atwoodka View Post

I needed a suit in a hurry for a wedding.  We went to the local JAB, but they didn't have a suit I liked in my size, and not enough time to special order.  We went to the local outlet that had a JAB, Brooks Brothers, Calvin Kline, and several other men's stores.  To my shock, JAB had a very large selection in all sizes, far more than the others.  Walked out with a $800 suit for under $200, including a shirt and 2 ties.  Felt llike we stole it!  Tailoring wasn't available in our time frame, so we had the pants hemmed at a local tailor. 
Just something you might want to look into for times you want a single suit or a great price without having to wait for a sale. 
Their current promotion buy one at 50%, second suit free, rolled around just in time for my upcoming wedding.  Was able to get 2 matching tuxes (for myself and my son) and also a suit for each of us as well, for the price of one suit.  Couldn't beat the deal.  Was able to purchase us both tuxes for the same exact price it would have cost us to rent tuxes that who knows how many other sweaty grooms have danced the night away in previously.
If you have time, get to know your local salesman, tell him what you are looking for and they will notify you early on of upcoming sales.  I'm waiting for the next shirt sale to get a good deal on the tux shirts & accessories!
post #129 of 168

FWIW, I own four JAB suits and they are all fused pieces of crap (two are signature gold). None of the suits have seen much use, yet the suits are literally falling apart. The lining in all of the pants has shredded away due to poor stitching, loose buttons, poor craftsmanship, etc. When you can buy one suit and get three free as with their recent promotion, red flags have to go up. Even their "new" gold signature line at $1,700 is fused. That's ridiculous considering you can get a full canvassed suit for $500 (http://www.ehaberdasher.com/servlet/the-4928/Benjamin-Sartorial-Suit-cln--43R-fdsh-44R/Detail) or a quality half canvassed M2M suit for $450 (http://www.blacklapel.com/suits/solid-navy.html).

post #130 of 168
Why did it take you four suits to figure this out?
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Originally Posted by TRIALnERROR View Post

FWIW, I own four JAB suits and they are all fused pieces of crap (two are signature gold). None of the suits have seen much use, yet the suits are literally falling apart. The lining in all of the pants has shredded away due to poor stitching, loose buttons, poor craftsmanship, etc. When you can buy one suit and get three free as with their recent promotion, red flags have to go up. Even their "new" gold signature line at $1,700 is fused. That's ridiculous considering you can get a full canvassed suit for $500 (http://www.ehaberdasher.com/servlet/the-4928/Benjamin-Sartorial-Suit-cln--43R-fdsh-44R/Detail) or a quality half canvassed M2M suit for $450 (http://www.blacklapel.com/suits/solid-navy.html).
post #131 of 168
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Originally Posted by Twotone View Post

Why did it take you four suits to figure this out?

Because I got scammed with the buy one get x free promo. I thought that would be evident considering JAB's marketing practices, but apparently I have to spell everything out for smart-asses like yourself.

post #132 of 168
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Originally Posted by atwoodka View Post

Walked out with a $800 suit for under $200, including a shirt and 2 ties.  Felt llike we stole it! 

Not picking on you, but this is exactly why they run their pricing model the way they do. Americans love sales. On top of that, I'm sure occasionally people are dumb enough to pay full retail for their stuff.


I got a lambskin jacket there for 70% off that's held up decently. Wasn't bad at all for the ~$150 I paid for it. Got one of their tuxes at 65% off IIRC for my wedding, was fine for something I'm not going to wear often. Construction/pricing issues aside, I don't like the cut on their suits, the shoulders never lay right for me (other than the tux somehow). Lots of better options for the money, but they sure are convenient and tend to have decent service.
post #133 of 168

I have a couple JAB suits that I like perfectly fine. That said, I'm younger and haven't had the luxury to spend $2k on a suit. Someday I'll be able to step it up. Till then, JAB sales work.  I don't pay "retail" for any clothing item anymore, since sales everywhere are so frequent.

post #134 of 168

Really really really super relevant NYT article:

http://bucks.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/26/the-case-for-spending-a-little-more-sometimes/

/found via PutThisOn, since I read that site

 

I figure there is a balance. I wear a suit daily, but I can't afford $5k on five garments, so, for the time being, I shop _cheap_. Nevertheless, I did recently just buy some AE shoes, which I'm expecting to far-outlast my last pair of Florsheim shoes. Also, I don't buy trendy items; I buy classic cuts/fits, to ensure that I can look stylish for years to come, without having to buy a new wardrobe every six months.

 

We've discussed this topic a few times in my Personal Financial Planning courses (working on a M.S. in that, and contemplating taking the CFP exam, in addition to having a J.D./being a lawyer). It makes damn-good sense to do something right the first time, instead of redoing it half-assedly over and over.

post #135 of 168

I really prefer their dress shirts, especially the traveler's collection, more than anything in their collection.  The wrinke-free feature is true to its claim. Andabout a year ago, I bought a suit from the signature gold collection, the material and fit was great I had no problems with it but I always thought I can get a better deal elsewhere for the same price.

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