What stereo(s) do you listen to? What do you want?

RJman · Sep 8, 2008

Originally Posted by whacked

They call it the trickle-down effect. The free market is to blame.

Bah. A rising trickle lifts all boats.

dkzzzz · Sep 8, 2008

Originally Posted by Sprezzatura2010

Actually, the list is gigantic. It encompasses basically everything from $200 Pioneer receivers with chip amp stages to Meridian and McIntosh, except for some junk on the extreme low end, and an awful lot of the stuff on the high end. .

So all these amps on your gigantic list will sound exactly the same right? I am just trying to get it:
So Krell KAV400 will sound exactly like Bryston 100 SST and in turn like Mcintosh Intgrted and Musical Fidelity will sound just like YBA?

Sprezzatura2010 · Sep 8, 2008

Originally Posted by dkzzzz

So all these amps on your gigantic list will sound exactly the same right? I am just trying to get it:
So Krell KAV400 will sound exactly like Bryston 100 SST and in turn like Mcintosh Intgrted and Musical Fidelity will sound just like YBA?

The Krell, Bryston, and McIntosh, of course they will sound the same. Assuming none of them are broken and they are properly level matched. All three makers do competent, well-engineered gear.

The MF and YBA, I don't know if they are competently designed or not. I don't generally bother with that sort of gear.

Sprezzatura2010 · Sep 8, 2008

Originally Posted by Artisan Fan

I trust my ears every time I make a recording. I'm just too smart to play a role in a biased pissing match with you.
You're still not smart enough to understand the difference between music production and music reproduction, and the types of gear employed for each of those tasks, are you? I think it's really sad that your lot are so afraid of actually relying on your ears that you refuse to see if you the things you believe in actually exist by using only your ears to determine the differences. Though I guess you're at least consistent in your pervasive denial of science and reality in life...

Concordia · Sep 8, 2008

Originally Posted by Sprezzatura2010

I think it's really sad that your lot are so afraid of actually relying on your ears that you refuse to see if you the things you believe in actually exist by using only your ears to determine the differences. ...

Good thing he's got you to tell him what's what. That should solve everything.

dkzzzz · Sep 8, 2008

Originally Posted by Sprezzatura2010

You're still not smart enough to understand the difference between music production and music reproduction, and the types of gear employed for each of those tasks, are you?

I think it's really sad that your lot are so afraid of actually relying on your ears that you refuse to see if you the things you believe in actually exist by using only your ears to determine the differences. Though I guess you're at least consistent in your pervasive denial of science and reality in life...

Dude I would not appeal to someones hearing too much if I were you. To your damaged by headphones ears all amplifiers sound the same.
What sort of listening test can YOU partake in, you cannot hear ****? lol

Sprezzatura2010 · Sep 9, 2008

Originally Posted by dkzzzz

Dude I would not appeal to someones hearing too much if I were you. To your damaged by headphones ears all amplifiers sound the same. What sort of listening test can YOU partake in, you cannot hear ****? lol
If anyone could reliably tell the difference between competently designed, nonbroken amplifiers with matched levels using just his ears, he would be making a lot of money as an audio consultant, and be a celebrity in the world of serious audio. Probably get serious DARPA grants, too. Such a person, however, has not yet emerged. Only deaf idiots like Harry Pearson and Jonathan Valin and Michael Fremer, and apparently this Fran character, who imagine they can hear things based on seeing the gear used and knowing its price point. And I'm not sure where that headphone comment came from. However, I'd be happy to put my critical listening skills up to the test, because it's something I've worked to develop over the course of building speakers and designing crossovers. Frankly, it is something I'm pretty good at. How about Fran and I do a double-blind test where there is a real, measurable sonic difference, such as a small frequency response change somewhere?

Artisan Fan · Sep 9, 2008

dkzzzz · Sep 9, 2008

Originally Posted by Sprezzatura2010

If anyone could reliably tell the difference between competently designed, nonbroken amplifiers with matched levels using just his ears, he would be making a lot of money as an audio consultant, and be a celebrity in the world of serious audio. Probably get serious DARPA grants, too. Such a person, however, has not yet emerged. Only deaf idiots like Harry Pearson and Jonathan Valin and Michael Fremer, and apparently this Fran character, who imagine they can hear things based on seeing the gear used and knowing its price point.

And I'm not sure where that headphone comment came from. However, I'd be happy to put my critical listening skills up to the test, because it's something I've worked to develop over the course of building speakers and designing crossovers. Frankly, it is something I'm pretty good at. How about Fran and I do a double-blind test where there is a real, measurable sonic difference, such as a small frequency response change somewhere?

Let me clear the air by saying that you Spezz complete the Fran. You are exactly the same type of audifools just with polar opposite views.
The only difference between you two is Fran is AudioSunni and Spezz is AudioShia.

T4phage · Sep 9, 2008

Originally Posted by dkzzzz

Let me clear the air by saying that you Spezz complete the Fran. You are exactly the same type of audifools just with polar opposite views.
The only difference between you two is Fran is AudioSunni and Spezz is AudioShia.

Then why don't you take him up on his challenge?
He believes most 'non broken' amps sound the same, you don't.
ABX

Sprezzatura2010 · Sep 9, 2008

Originally Posted by dkzzzz

Let me clear the air by saying that you Spezz complete the Fran. You are exactly the same type of audifools just with polar opposite views.
The only difference between you two is Fran is AudioSunni and Spezz is AudioShia.

More like I believe in evolution, and he thinks the earth is 6000 years old.

Why is there such resistance to the rather obvious notion that the only way to reliably tell if two audio components sound different is to remove all of the variables except for sound, and compare them? I just don't get it, unless people are really so toweringly stupid that such a simple and obvious concept is beyond their intellectual comprehension.

Artisan Fan · Sep 9, 2008

Originally Posted by Sprezzatura2010

Why is there such resistance to the rather obvious notion that the only way to reliably tell if two audio components sound different is to remove all of the variables except for sound, and compare them? I just don't get it, unless people are really so toweringly stupid that such a simple and obvious concept is beyond their intellectual comprehension.

Spazz,

I do this all the time as my recording team is constantly trying new mic cables. We put in a splitter from the mics and feed two different recording chains and we keep everything else the same. This creates an "all else equal" test. We have upgraded our cable a few times but we are quite happy with Kimber KCAG, the current champion.

Sprezzatura2010 · Sep 9, 2008

Originally Posted by Artisan Fan

Spazz,

I do this all the time as my recording team is constantly trying new mic cables. We put in a splitter from the mics and feed two different recording chains and we keep everything else the same. This creates an "all else equal" test. We have upgraded our cable a few times but we are quite happy with Kimber KCAG, the current champion.

If you know what's playing, you haven't eliminated all of the variables.

Artisan Fan · Sep 9, 2008

Originally Posted by Sprezzatura2010

If you know what's playing, you haven't eliminated all of the variables.

You must know what the live version sounds like to know which cable is the most neutral.

A Y · Sep 10, 2008

Originally Posted by Artisan Fan

You must know what the live version sounds like to know which cable is the most neutral.

I think he's saying that if you know which cable is which when you're listening, then your judgment can be affected by that knowledge. It is an unusually common problem.

--Andre

What stereo(s) do you listen to? What do you want?

Posse Member

Distinguished Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Distinguished Member

Distinguished Member

Senior Member

Suitsupply-sider

Distinguished Member

Distinguished Member

Senior Member

Suitsupply-sider

Senior Member

Suitsupply-sider

Distinguished Member

FEATURED PRODUCTS

Similar threads

Featured Sponsor

Yes, I have a signature fragrance I wear every day

Yes, I have a signature fragrance but I don't wear it daily

No, I have several fragrances and rotate through them

I don't wear fragrance

Forum Sponsors

Forum statistics

FOLLOW STYLEFORUM ON: