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Pre-cut jacket sleeve buttonholes

sartorialism

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Here's my issue: I just got three new cotton jackets and they have pre-cut buttonholes. What's the problem, you ask? The problem is that the sleeves are too long.

I know this is a lot to post, but remember, we're talking about three jackets, which I really like. So I want to make sure I make the right decisions.





(Please excuse my posture and really anything beside the sleeve lengths.)

Now, of the jackets, two are the same (one black and one stone). These have one functional buttonhole per sleeve:





Since the button is functional, I can't really adjust the sleeve length much (beside at the shoulder"”which I'm not interested in doing). So that really leaves me with three option. My first option is to keep the cuff turned up, which I believe jackets with such sleeve cuffs are meant to be worn:



The problem with that is that it leaves me with no option other than to keep my cuff turned up, and I don't like that. I want to be able to keep it down when the occasion calls for it.

Another option is to fold the cuff over, up to the point of the button and keep the button on the edge of the sleeve:




Final option is just to turn the cuff all the way in and forget any sleeve buttons altogether:



Problem is that I like sleeve buttons (especially these cool functional flip-over buttons)....

Let me know which option you'd choose.

So much for those two jackets.

Now, I got another jacket that has traditional sleeve buttons. Problem us that these sleeves are too long as well:



Why can't I just shorten them, you ask? Because (I think*) they have pre-cut buttonholes. So, this leaves me with really only one option, which is making the buttonholes functional and then turning back the cuff on these as well:



The problem with doing that is, first of all, as with the other jackets, I don't want to have to turn it up. it's a cool style in the right mood and with the right outfit, but I don't want to be wedded to it. Second, it gives a casual jacket an even more casual look, which I don't want to push. The gray lining just makes it worse:



What do you suggest I do about this?

*It is possible that the buttonholes aren't pre-cut at all. I don't know how to tell considering that they're closed. Maybe you can advise: is this just exterior stitching (in which case, the stitching can be removed and the buttons adjusted upward), or is the fabric itself cut?





I'd appreciate any and all advice you can offer!
 

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Originally Posted by sartorialism
*It is possible that the buttonholes aren't pre-cut at all. I don't know how to tell considering that they're closed.

If they were cut it would be pretty obvious; they look like they aren't.

As for the ones with working cuffs, you pretty much have no other choice than to shorten them from the shoulder. The amount you need to take off will get way too close to the buttons if taken off the cuff. Folding back your cuffs is an affectation that should be used sparingly, you do not want three jackets that cannot be worn without folding the cuffs back...
 

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A good tailor can take it up from the shoulder.
 

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They aren't pre cut but they are able to be made functional and I don't think you can move their placement. I would suggest shelling out the money to get the shoulders done. I know you dont want to, but you're going to ruin those jackets trying to do the impossible. This problem isn't unique to you, and you are against it's only solution. Reconsider.
 

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tl, dr
 

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Originally Posted by Sanguis Mortuum
If they were cut it would be pretty obvious; they look like they aren't.

As for the ones with working cuffs, you pretty much have no other choice than to shorten them from the shoulder. The amount you need to take off will get way too close to the buttons if taken off the cuff. Folding back your cuffs is an affectation that should be used sparingly, you do not want three jackets that cannot be worn without folding the cuffs back...


I don't want to move the shoulder. This jacket was an absolute bargain, and that's part of the pride I'm taking in it! And I hear ya about turning back the cuffs"”that's why I wrote I like the option, but most contexts don't call for it.

Originally Posted by ter1413
A good tailor can take it up from the shoulder.



Originally Posted by landshark
They aren't pre cut but they are able to be made functional and I don't think you can move their placement. I would suggest shelling out the money to get the shoulders done. I know you dont want to, but you're going to ruin those jackets trying to do the impossible. This problem isn't unique to you, and you are against it's only solution. Reconsider.

I hear ya. Thing about that jacket in particular (the blue one) is that it has pickstitching everywhere including, of course, the armholes. The stitching matches everywhere, with the same type of stitch, thread, etc. Moving it around will kill the jacket.

Originally Posted by TRINI
tl, dr

English?
 

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too long, done reading?
 

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Btw, I asked here whether these jackets are seasonal. I don't want to mix the discussion (this forrum is bad enough about tangents as is), so I kept them separate. But I would like to know your opinion there. Thanks!
 

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Originally Posted by NORE
too long, done reading?

too long, didn't read.
 

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Originally Posted by sartorialism
I don't want to move the shoulder. This jacket was an absolute bargain, and that's part of the pride I'm taking in it! And I hear ya about turning back the cuffs"”that's why I wrote I like the option, but most contexts don't call for it.







I hear ya. Thing about that jacket in particular (the blue one) is that it has pickstitching everywhere including, of course, the armholes. The stitching matches everywhere, with the same type of stitch, thread, etc. Moving it around will kill the jacket.



English?



??? Then walk around with sleeves that are too long....
 

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i like the tzitzis part of the outfit
 

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Originally Posted by sartorialism
I don't want to move the shoulder. This jacket was an absolute bargain, and that's part of the pride I'm taking in it!

this is pretty dumb.
 

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Originally Posted by ter1413
??? Then walk around with sleeves that are too long....

I'll take in the shoulder if I must, but I'd like to foreclose the other possibilities first. What do you all think of this "” If I fold the sleeve, as per picture ten, and then cut a buttonhole into the remaining inch or so of the cuff opening and readjust the button as well...?

Originally Posted by in stitches
i like the tzitzis part of the outfit



Originally Posted by hendrix
this is pretty dumb.

C'mon, I'm sure you relate a little...

As for the blue one"”any advice? If the buttonholes aren't cut through, will undoing them and moving the buttons higher leave marks (as any alterations on cotton materials usually do)?
 

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Originally Posted by sartorialism
I'll take in the shoulder if I must, but I'd like to foreclose the other possibilities first. What do you all think of this "” If I fold the sleeve, as per picture ten, and then cut a buttonhole into the remaining inch or so of the cuff opening and readjust the button as well...?







C'mon, I'm sure you relate a little...

As for the blue one"”any advice? If the buttonholes aren't cut through, will undoing them and moving the buttons higher leave marks (as any alterations on cotton materials usually do)?


Those look like lightweight cotton or cotton/linen fabrics.

Removing buttonholes will leave a distinct mark.

Take it up from the shoulder.

If there is fancy stitching on the shoulder already, either your tailor can superhumanly reuse every hole left by the previous thread or else....you're screwed....maybe it was no bargain after all.

Fancy buttonholes, whether working or no, are both stupid and very common on RTW coats nowadays.

Not much more to say.

 

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Originally Posted by mack11211
Fancy buttonholes, whether working or no, are both stupid and very common on RTW coats nowadays.


+1. I'll never figure out why they do this... (BTW, what's RTW?)
 

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