10D US = 9.5D UK/Edward Green?

[RJman]

Originally Posted by zbromer

Again, I think a lot of people have mentioned on here that we are heavy discount shoppers. You work with what you've got. Obviously, there are going to be some hits and misses. This is just about narrowing down the misses.

For me, I don't understand why people only buy shoes that they try on in person. You're missing out on deals like Plal or even the Edward Green sale.

In a perfect world, we'd all have access to try on every shoe, and they'd all be really cheap. It's just not a reality.
I understand where you're coming from, but you need to face that you will make mistakes on your shoe purchases made without trying them on, and you will be out hundreds of dollars even on sale, and there will be nothing you can do make an ill-fitting shoe fit.

 

[josepidal]

It's not so much that, but the lasts people like the most here can be hard to fit. They may not actually fit you, for an extreme example, not in any size (for that particular last).

 

[grimslade]

Originally Posted by RJman

I understand where you're coming from, but you need to face that you will make mistakes on your shoe purchases made without trying them on, and you will be out hundreds of dollars even on sale, and there will be nothing you can do make an ill-fitting shoe fit.

That's true. OTOH, I've made mistakes with shoes I _have_ tried on too...

 

[gdl203]

Originally Posted by zbromer

For me, I don't understand why people only buy shoes that they try on in person. You're missing out on deals like Plal or even the Edward Green sale.
These are not mutually exclusive. You can try a last on and determine your optimal size and width, and then buy shoes "online" from PLAL or EG on these specific lasts and in these specific sizes.

 

[zalb916]

Originally Posted by gdl203

These are not mutually exclusive. You can try a last on and determine your optimal size and width, and then buy shoes "online" from PLAL or EG on these specific lasts and in these specific sizes.

That is exactly what I'm trying to do. I went and tried on the the correct last and found my correct size. My issue is now trying to compute the conversion from US to UK. That's where I originally began asking for advise.

Even though I've tried on the correct last and the correct size, I'm trying to make sure that the conversion is also correct.

 

[zalb916]

Originally Posted by RJman

I understand where you're coming from, but you need to face that you will make mistakes on your shoe purchases made without trying them on, and you will be out hundreds of dollars even on sale, and there will be nothing you can do make an ill-fitting shoe fit.

I entirely agree, which is why I try to never purchase without trying on, if I can't return.

 

[josepidal]

Originally Posted by zbromer

That is exactly what I'm trying to do. I went and tried on the the correct last and found my correct size. My issue is now trying to compute the conversion from US to UK. That's where I originally began asking for advise.
And even then you can't be sure, sigh.

 

[tlmusic]

Originally Posted by aportnoy

EG E = US D

Hello, I am a new member of style forum. I don't know if it is OK to resurrect an old thread, but I would like to offer my recent experience. This is a good thread and it may help others get comfortable shoes.

First, I think that EG E = US D an excellent guideline. I sure wish I had read this thread before purchasing several beautiful Edward Green shoes that really don't fit.

Last Fall at an Edward Green trunk show here in Michigan, I was fitted by their representative. He suggested a D width. The store did not have any E width shoes in my size, so that was never an option. I don't have narrow feet--I've always worn Allen Edmonds, Alden, and even Ecco's in D or "Medium Width".

I took home a fine looking pair of Asquiths on the 202 Last. From the beginning, the shoes felt too tight. Even after 4 months they feel too narrow for me.

I have tried in stores and mail ordered a bunch of EG shoes in my size D width. I've tried 202 606 888 808 184, some oxfords, some derbys, some slip ons. They all seemed too narrow. The stores did not stock E width shoes, so that was not an option.

I did get one of the EG Cardiff's from the Maus and Hoffman sale. Tom Maus personally talked to me and gave me a great deal. Those shoes, though marked D, actually fit. Those particular M&H shoes are definitely wider. I even compared them to a D width Derby with the Edward Green logo on them. I don't know what to make of this.

The saga continues. The big EG sale in London just happened, so not being one to pass up a bargain, I ordered a Monmouth 888 and Chelsea 202 both D width. I wanted to believe that my fitting by their representative was correct. The shoes just came in and feel too narrow. Also, I noticed that the sale lists featured lots of E width shoes. In fact, the E width shoes seemed to sell the most. I began to think that E is the standard width after all.

I recently got some E width Russells 82 last.

They fit much better. I even showed them to my chiropractor. He's not a foot specialist, but he's pretty knowledgeable about structural health. He thought the E width fit me much better than any of the D width shoes I had shown him. It sure appears E width Edward Green is much closer to medium width US. Maybe the conclusion that US stores stock almost only EG D widths because they are used to stocking D American shoes is valid. And in order to sell them, the salesmen tell customers the shoes should be really tight.

Just some observations from a newbie...

Does anyone here have experience with returning/exchanging shoes from the EG store in London?

 

[Tarmac]

E is "medium" width in UK sizing. There was never any controversy about this, it has always been true.

The confusion was whether EG did some sort of auto-conversion for shoes destined for the US market. RLPLs were (still are) particularly confusing.

If you are a medium width foot, and you are buying British shoes directly from Britain, you should always be getting E. This has never changed.

 

[tlmusic]

Thanks for the continued confirmation that British E is Medium.

 

[GeorgePaul]

Originally Posted by tlmusic

I took home a fine looking pair of Asquiths on the 202 Last. From the beginning, the shoes felt too tight. Even after 4 months they feel too narrow for me.
Why don't you have a cobbler stretch them for you?

 

[tlmusic]

Originally Posted by GeorgePaul

Why don't you have a cobbler stretch them for you?

Last month I took them to a cobbler here in MI, and he was afraid to do it. He said it would "distort the shoe".

Can you recommend a good cobbler (somewhere in the US) who could stretch the shoes?

By the way, the Jermyn Street store offered me a full refund on all the unworn pairs.

 

[amlai]

Originally Posted by tlmusic

Last month I took them to a cobbler here in MI, and he was afraid to do it. He said it would "distort the shoe".

Can you recommend a good cobbler (somewhere in the US) who could stretch the shoes?

There's always the spray them with shoe stretching solution and then walking around in them so they mold to your foot.

 

[Salsalocust]

Originally Posted by Tarmac

E is "medium" width in UK sizing. There was never any controversy about this, it has always been true.

The confusion was whether EG did some sort of auto-conversion for shoes destined for the US market. RLPLs were (still are) particularly confusing.

If you are a medium width foot, and you are buying British shoes directly from Britain, you should always be getting E. This has never changed.

But of course, should you choose to wear Church an F would be your 'medium'

Regards,

Graham

 

[thomaus247]

Tlmusic, let me tell you that it is perfectly fine to resurrect old threads (some of these have been bouncing around a long time) and it is most appropriate if when resurrecting you mention Maus & Hoffman!

Glad you are happy with the shoes.

Tom