Vanson/Styleforum/Thurston Bros slim fit Japanese double rider MTO

[DeadDJ]

No, people are assuming (probably correctly) that Brian SD is saying TOJ jackets are based on the 5 zip. If that's the case, the claim is incorrect. Stock TOJ double rider jackets, for better or worse, are slim and balanced in measurements. The 5 zip is cut like a classic perfecto: exaggerated shoulder, medium arms, tiny torso, incredibly short.

I've owned multiple 5 zips and sold them because of their cut, and handled more. I've handled new and old ones; the cut was always the same. I've also owned multiple TOJ jackets and handled stock ones. And before anyone else asks, TOJ has categorically refused to do a full 5 zip replica.

Now, back to the Thurston Vanson SF MTO.

 

[sinnedk]



if the original guy wrote something like the below it would not need an explanation

No, people are assuming (probably correctly) that Brian SD is saying TOJ jackets are based on the 5 zip. If that's the case, the claim is incorrect. Stock TOJ double rider jackets, for better or worse, are slim and balanced in measurements. The 5 zip is cut like a classic perfecto: exaggerated shoulder, medium arms, tiny torso, incredibly short.

I've owned multiple 5 zips and sold them because of their cut, and handled more. I've handled new and old ones; the cut was always the same. I've also owned multiple TOJ jackets and handled stock ones. And before anyone else asks, TOJ has categorically refused to do a full 5 zip replica.

Now, back to the Thurston Vanson SF MTO.

thank you

 

[Tuma]

I am also interested in DR. Wouldn't change a thing in it thoug. Guys who want to get rid of the belt: would you leave the belt loops?

 

[sinnedk]



I am also interested in DR. Wouldn't change a thing in it thoug. Guys who want to get rid of the belt: would you leave the belt loops?

no way why? it will look bad

 

[Tuma]

I think it will look empty without belt.

 

[sinnedk]



I think it will look empty without belt.

i think everyone agreed for no belt and having loops w/out belt is silly, that said maybe your version can have the belt.

 

[LA Guy]



No, people are assuming (probably correctly) that Brian SD is saying TOJ jackets are based on the 5 zip. If that's the case, the claim is incorrect. Stock TOJ double rider jackets, for better or worse, are slim and balanced in measurements. The 5 zip is cut like a classic perfecto: exaggerated shoulder, medium arms, tiny torso, incredibly short.

I've owned multiple 5 zips and sold them because of their cut, and handled more. I've handled new and old ones; the cut was always the same. I've also owned multiple TOJ jackets and handled stock ones. And before anyone else asks, TOJ has categorically refused to do a full 5 zip replica.

Now, back to the Thurston Vanson SF MTO.

The ToJ pattern seems to have changed over the years, but @Brian SD is right. And he'd know better than anyone. Brian is one of the original moderators here, and an original Superfuture poster (me too, fwiw.) To put it in perspective, we met in person nearly a decade ago. And he and Drew predate ToJ, so he was there from the beginning.

 

[LA Guy]



I am also interested in DR. Wouldn't change a thing in it thoug. Guys who want to get rid of the belt: would you leave the belt loops?

There are numerous versions of that Vanson, and the design is never exactly the same. We are dialing in o a really cool and balanced combination of details, and I think that you guys will be stoked when you see the design. We will likely use the same leather as the inspiration.

What lining? I want tartan with rayon sleeves, personally.

 

[Ambulance Chaser]



What lining? I want tartan with rayon sleeves, personally.

StyleForum red rayon in body and sleeves. I assume there will be a patch, either on the inside back or inside breast pocket, indicating that the jacket is a SF x Vanson makeup?

 

[sinnedk]



What lining? I want tartan with rayon sleeves, personally.

is it possible to do a black check tartan? thurston said this is possible :

Regarding liner choices, here's the Lochcarron Minto Check Liner...it's pretty classic... Black Rayon is also a good choice...very versatile!

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i for one think this would be cool because the red pops too much

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[DeadDJ]



The ToJ pattern seems to have changed over the years, but @Brian SD is right. And he'd know better than anyone. Brian is one of the original moderators here, and an original Superfuture poster (me too, fwiw.) To put it in perspective, we met in person nearly a decade ago. And he and Drew predate ToJ, so he was there from the beginning.

It's entirely possible I'm wrong. If Brian spoke to him and he said that, then it's fact. If not, all of my experience points to the opposite - my first TOJ DR was from one of the first runs, very lightly altered (except for sleeve length, changes were well below 1"), and the fit was very different than the 5 zip. That said, I might reach out to Drew out of curiosity, see if I can find the original measurement chart. If anyone else is interested just PM me so we don't muck up this thread more with unrelated talk.

 

[Brian SD]

I'm definitely not ******** on anyone I just mean to be realistic about expectations and what we can get out of this project vs other options. I still wear my SFx5EP jeans (god help them they're torn to bits) and I'd love to have another SF creation that will last me years. I'm gonna go try on some Japanese Vansons again today to see if I can offer anything further on the base pattern. Basically I want to see if I think I can fit into one with whatever modifications @LA Guy is planning.

As an aside, Drew and I talked about TOJ over beers long before it became reality, and the single thing it always came back to was "I want to make a MMM Moto that everyone can afford." He has plenty of designs now, and he's done an incredible job building his brand. It's a much bigger beast than I think he envisaged with his original concept.

 

[burghler]

if the original guy wrote something like the below it would not need an explanation
thank you

Not sure why my post warranted a detailed explanation. Tuma asked for the iconic Margiela jacket mentioned and I posted a picture

 

[LA Guy]



I'm definitely not ******** on anyone I just mean to be realistic about expectations and what we can get out of this project vs other options. I still wear my SFx5EP jeans (god help them they're torn to bits) and I'd love to have another SF creation that will last me years. I'm gonna go try on some Japanese Vansons again today to see if I can offer anything further on the base pattern.

As an aside, Drew and I talked about TOJ over beers long before it became reality, and the single thing it always came back to was "I want to make a MMM Moto that everyone can afford." He has plenty of designs now, and he's done an incredible job building his brand. It's a much bigger beast than I think he envisaged with his original concept.

Hey @Brian sd - see if you can find a Junya Vanson, in a size that would fit me - I'm close to the size I used to be way back when, but with a bit more muscle tacked onto my upper body. I am a small medium in US, or a straight up medium European. I'll buy it if it's under $1.5k, and use as a base from which to tweak the stock pattern.

 

[Brian SD]

Sure thing. I'll check out the Junya and the Vanson store and let you know what I find.