** Quintessential Crockett & Jones Thread ** (reviews, quality, etc...)

[stephenaf2003]

Hi All,

Seems a lot of people buy second hand shoes here? I don't have any experience in doing so. I'm not into vintage and the usual "savings" amounts haven't been enough to convince me to go 2nd hand. Either way...

My brother found a pair of C&J Cottesmore Jodhpur boots. I hate to discourage him from taking an interest in footwear..but ...I have my doubts here and there..

Seems these things were manufactured in 2004 (from what I see on-line, maybe I'm missing something). Looking at the archives it seems when they retailed for around 600 and could be found for 400 on sale. The seller is asking 200...which doesn't seem outrageous.. but they are 20 years old and who knows what the interior is like. One point of scepticism is that I've heard the cork board takes the foot's imprints on them..and that imprint stays no matter how often the new owner wears them?

They seem in decent enough shape from the photos. I don't see too much visible wear and tear. Some wear on the inner lining (from pulling them on I'm guessing). A scratch on the right toe box that looks to be superficial and could probably get worked out. They look a bit dirty as if just tossed in a closet long term perhaps. Obviously been worn more than a few times.

They have the rubber soles (combat soles?). I don't have any shoes with such soles. How worn down are these things? How much longer would you think they'd last? And what does it take to replace them? Is it a complete breakdown like a re-soling with leather? I don't know what full re-soles cost in the US (my brother's location) but they cost me 250-300 in my European location. . Would it be about the same for the combat soles? This is another part of my skepticism, if he's spending 200 on the boots, and another 250 to get them re-soled after a month, he could just get a new pair of Carmina Jodhpurs for about the same cost..

Any positives or negatives you can think of (both with 2nd hand purchases and as to the condition of the particular boots)that I could mention to him would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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I mean…they’re worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay for them. But, yeah to my way of thinking the seller is being very optimistic with the asking price. There are no footbed images, so hard to guess how ”worn“ these really have been.

 

[florent]

Hi All,

Seems a lot of people buy second hand shoes here? I don't have any experience in doing so. I'm not into vintage and the usual "savings" amounts haven't been enough to convince me to go 2nd hand. Either way...

My brother found a pair of C&J Cottesmore Jodhpur boots. I hate to discourage him from taking an interest in footwear..but ...I have my doubts here and there..

Seems these things were manufactured in 2004 (from what I see on-line, maybe I'm missing something). Looking at the archives it seems when they retailed for around 600 and could be found for 400 on sale. The seller is asking 200...which doesn't seem outrageous.. but they are 20 years old and who knows what the interior is like. One point of scepticism is that I've heard the cork board takes the foot's imprints on them..and that imprint stays no matter how often the new owner wears them?

They seem in decent enough shape from the photos. I don't see too much visible wear and tear. Some wear on the inner lining (from pulling them on I'm guessing). A scratch on the right toe box that looks to be superficial and could probably get worked out. They look a bit dirty as if just tossed in a closet long term perhaps. Obviously been worn more than a few times.

They have the rubber soles (combat soles?). I don't have any shoes with such soles. How worn down are these things? How much longer would you think they'd last? And what does it take to replace them? Is it a complete breakdown like a re-soling with leather? I don't know what full re-soles cost in the US (my brother's location) but they cost me 250-300 in my European location. . Would it be about the same for the combat soles? This is another part of my skepticism, if he's spending 200 on the boots, and another 250 to get them re-soled after a month, he could just get a new pair of Carmina Jodhpurs for about the same cost..

Any positives or negatives you can think of (both with 2nd hand purchases and as to the condition of the particular boots)that I could mention to him would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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The soles don't seem much worn (from the less than ideal picture) and the price is good. I'd ask for a picture of the lining at the heel area because it can be difficult to repair if worn out.

Yes the insole takes the print of the first wearer, it is only an issue if you have a very different footprint. Not the most common in my experience but it happens, that's the risk of buying second-hand. A resole can resolve the issue but is costly, reselling them and move on might be a better option in this case.

Yes you need a complete resole to change these but I don't see that necessary anytime soon. I'm not sure what currency you're using but 250-300€/$ is a lot for a resole (C&J themselves quote ~200€ on their website, I would expect an independant cobbler to be less).

 

[zippyh]

Hi All,

Seems a lot of people buy second hand shoes here? I don't have any experience in doing so. I'm not into vintage and the usual "savings" amounts haven't been enough to convince me to go 2nd hand. Either way...

My brother found a pair of C&J Cottesmore Jodhpur boots. I hate to discourage him from taking an interest in footwear..but ...I have my doubts here and there..

Seems these things were manufactured in 2004 (from what I see on-line, maybe I'm missing something). Looking at the archives it seems when they retailed for around 600 and could be found for 400 on sale. The seller is asking 200...which doesn't seem outrageous.. but they are 20 years old and who knows what the interior is like. One point of scepticism is that I've heard the cork board takes the foot's imprints on them..and that imprint stays no matter how often the new owner wears them?

They seem in decent enough shape from the photos. I don't see too much visible wear and tear. Some wear on the inner lining (from pulling them on I'm guessing). A scratch on the right toe box that looks to be superficial and could probably get worked out. They look a bit dirty as if just tossed in a closet long term perhaps. Obviously been worn more than a few times.

They have the rubber soles (combat soles?). I don't have any shoes with such soles. How worn down are these things? How much longer would you think they'd last? And what does it take to replace them? Is it a complete breakdown like a re-soling with leather? I don't know what full re-soles cost in the US (my brother's location) but they cost me 250-300 in my European location. . Would it be about the same for the combat soles? This is another part of my skepticism, if he's spending 200 on the boots, and another 250 to get them re-soled after a month, he could just get a new pair of Carmina Jodhpurs for about the same cost..

Any positives or negatives you can think of (both with 2nd hand purchases and as to the condition of the particular boots)that I could mention to him would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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I'd say those are less than 10 or 11 years old. That was the time when C&J switched to stamping the style/size/info inside rather than hand writing it. Also, those are marked with US sizing 11 1/2D. I'm guessing they're from Barney's as they sold C&J marked in US sizes (or maybe Ben Silver?). I know Barney's offered the Cottesmore in black on dainite sole. Dainite sole is extremely hard wearing. I think a dainite resole is going to be about the same price as any other. I have no idea if $200 is a fair price. I'd personally go with a new pair of Carminas.

 

[JTMD]

I'd say those are less than 10 or 11 years old. That was the time when C&J switched to stamping the style/size/info inside rather than hand writing it. Also, those are marked with US sizing 11 1/2D. I'm guessing they're from Barney's as they sold C&J marked in US sizes (or maybe Ben Silver?). I know Barney's offered the Cottesmore in black on dainite sole. Dainite sole is extremely hard wearing. I think a dainite resole is going to be about the same price as any other. I have no idea if $200 is a fair price. I'd personally go with a new pair of Carminas.

Thanks for the reply.

That's what I've been pushing. I could perhaps see it if they were EGs at half price that had obviously been worn only once or twice.

 

[jellyroller]

Thanks for the reply.

That's what I've been pushing. I could perhaps see it if they were EGs at half price that had obviously been worn only once or twice.

Shoes that have been worn only a couple of times are basically new. That won’t be enough wear to leave much of an imprint on the cork footbed. When you start looking at shoes that have been well worn, it’s much more of a roll of the dice. I’ve bought some pairs off eBay that were well worn but fine and others that felt very obviously like they were someone else’s shoes and were never going to be comfortable.

 

[letsgofire]

Maitland (HG SMU on 337 for Double Monk) in dark brown calf…

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These look absolutely fantastic.

 

[rakuskus]

Hi All,

Seems a lot of people buy second hand shoes here? I don't have any experience in doing so. I'm not into vintage and the usual "savings" amounts haven't been enough to convince me to go 2nd hand. Either way...

My brother found a pair of C&J Cottesmore Jodhpur boots. I hate to discourage him from taking an interest in footwear..but ...I have my doubts here and there..

Seems these things were manufactured in 2004 (from what I see on-line, maybe I'm missing something). Looking at the archives it seems when they retailed for around 600 and could be found for 400 on sale. The seller is asking 200...which doesn't seem outrageous.. but they are 20 years old and who knows what the interior is like. One point of scepticism is that I've heard the cork board takes the foot's imprints on them..and that imprint stays no matter how often the new owner wears them?

They seem in decent enough shape from the photos. I don't see too much visible wear and tear. Some wear on the inner lining (from pulling them on I'm guessing). A scratch on the right toe box that looks to be superficial and could probably get worked out. They look a bit dirty as if just tossed in a closet long term perhaps. Obviously been worn more than a few times.

They have the rubber soles (combat soles?). I don't have any shoes with such soles. How worn down are these things? How much longer would you think they'd last? And what does it take to replace them? Is it a complete breakdown like a re-soling with leather? I don't know what full re-soles cost in the US (my brother's location) but they cost me 250-300 in my European location. . Would it be about the same for the combat soles? This is another part of my skepticism, if he's spending 200 on the boots, and another 250 to get them re-soled after a month, he could just get a new pair of Carmina Jodhpurs for about the same cost..

Any positives or negatives you can think of (both with 2nd hand purchases and as to the condition of the particular boots)that I could mention to him would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

IMO from looking at the dainite soles, the shoes has been worn a lot, if you observe from the corner heel area, the emboss rubber is almost gone. From the middle of the soles, the dots on the dainite are almost flat. Also at the widest part of the shoes the GYW stitching there are sign of abrasion. When new, CJ shoes will have a slight rounded soles, if there are abrasion on the stitching it indicate the soles are now flat. From looking at the upper leather, there are no cracks and the creasing seems to be minimal also the shoes shape still looks good.

That being said, the condition is good. I've seen worse and I've also bought shoes in similar condition with this and get tons of wear from them. IMO I would say 200 are normally where shoes with such condition will be sold, I've seen shoes like this goes for around 100-150 at eBay auction. I understand people buying second hand shoes to save money. I will say this, they are not a bargain, just a normal price for a second hand CJ shoes.

 

[GentlemanJeff]

Hi friends! I'm interested in a pair of Ralph Lauren x Crockett & Jones I found on the internet. Anyhow know how the US sizing compares to, say, Alden? If I'm a 12D Barrie, would I want the same in C&J US sizing?

 

[jellyroller]

Hi friends! I'm interested in a pair of Ralph Lauren x Crockett & Jones I found on the internet. Anyhow know how the US sizing compares to, say, Alden? If I'm a 12D Barrie, would I want the same in C&J US sizing?

You'll probably want 12.5D US for C&J Ralph Lauren

 

[mxgreen]

Hi friends! I'm interested in a pair of Ralph Lauren x Crockett & Jones I found on the internet. Anyhow know how the US sizing compares to, say, Alden? If I'm a 12D Barrie, would I want the same in C&J US sizing?

I wear Alden Barrie 11.5D and C&J for RL 12D.

 

[dupuytren]

Looking for a pair of versatile loafers which can be dressed both casually (chins/jeans) and a bit more formal (not necessarily suit and blazer and wool trousers). Have any of y’all tried the Crockett and Jones Yale- how does it compare to Alden 684 full strap loader Aberdeen last ? I am finding latter difficult to size and hard to find in the UK though I do prefer its shape. Looking for similar from C&J.

 

[YellowHandUp]

Looking for a pair of versatile loafers which can be dressed both casually (chins/jeans) and a bit more formal (not necessarily suit and blazer and wool trousers). Have any of y’all tried the Crockett and Jones Yale- how does it compare to Alden 684 full strap loader Aberdeen last ? I am finding latter difficult to size and hard to find in the UK though I do prefer its shape. Looking for similar from C&J.

I’m planning to visit the store next Monday looking for loafers. I discounted Yale. Could be a bit too shiny for casual but that said plenty seem to carry it off. Simon at Permanent Style seems to wear cordovan loafers a lot. I like the look of Nice in tobacco and Sydney in snuff. Not too round on the toe like Boston. I feed back thoughts next week.

 

[jssdc]

Hi All,

Seems a lot of people buy second hand shoes here? I don't have any experience in doing so. I'm not into vintage and the usual "savings" amounts haven't been enough to convince me to go 2nd hand. Either way...

My brother found a pair of C&J Cottesmore Jodhpur boots. I hate to discourage him from taking an interest in footwear..but ...I have my doubts here and there..

Seems these things were manufactured in 2004 (from what I see on-line, maybe I'm missing something). Looking at the archives it seems when they retailed for around 600 and could be found for 400 on sale. The seller is asking 200...which doesn't seem outrageous.. but they are 20 years old and who knows what the interior is like. One point of scepticism is that I've heard the cork board takes the foot's imprints on them..and that imprint stays no matter how often the new owner wears them?

They seem in decent enough shape from the photos. I don't see too much visible wear and tear. Some wear on the inner lining (from pulling them on I'm guessing). A scratch on the right toe box that looks to be superficial and could probably get worked out. They look a bit dirty as if just tossed in a closet long term perhaps. Obviously been worn more than a few times.

They have the rubber soles (combat soles?). I don't have any shoes with such soles. How worn down are these things? How much longer would you think they'd last? And what does it take to replace them? Is it a complete breakdown like a re-soling with leather? I don't know what full re-soles cost in the US (my brother's location) but they cost me 250-300 in my European location. . Would it be about the same for the combat soles? This is another part of my skepticism, if he's spending 200 on the boots, and another 250 to get them re-soled after a month, he could just get a new pair of Carmina Jodhpurs for about the same cost..

Any positives or negatives you can think of (both with 2nd hand purchases and as to the condition of the particular boots)that I could mention to him would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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I’d pay $200 for those and would totally do so if they were my size. Yeah they’ve been worn, and I know what a resole costs (I’ve sent two pairs back to the factory this year), but current prices are what they are and it’s indisputable that C&J quality standards are universally lower than what they were even a few years ago.

 

[Bayou Tiger]

I’d pay $200 for those and would totally do so if they were my size. Yeah they’ve been worn, and I know what a resole costs (I’ve sent two pairs back to the factory this year), but current prices are what they are and it’s indisputable that C&J quality standards are universally lower than what they were even a few years ago.

Is this really the case? I have not noticed in my purchases, other than I don't like the new shoe bags as much.

 

[Fenners81]

Is this really the case? I have not noticed in my purchases, other than I don't like the new shoe bags as much.

I too can't see any discernable differences in quality between a 25 year old pair that my friend has and my recently purchased pairs. Leather quality, construction and finishing appear identical. To say it's indisputable that the standards are universally lower is quite a claim and should be substantiated. I'm not saying it's not true though and am willing to be educated.