** Quintessential Crockett & Jones Thread ** (reviews, quality, etc...)

[venividivicibj]

sorry, I meant I'd like to see the 325 last in this for comparison. just so its all lined up and can reference everything (because I'm told its not very sleek, but it looks very nice from your pictures)

 

[jrd617]

Here, rotate this image 180

Spoiler

 

[venividivicibj]

looks almost the same as the 341

 

[jrd617]

341 has a more pronounced, sharper toe. I've decided against getting the PTB for myself because it's too pointy for casual wear

You can see this on the Marlow wingtip (325) vs PTB (341).

325 wingtip

341 ptb

 

[alexSF]

^ PTB isn't made on the 341 last (as the tassel isn't made on the 325 or 72 as some stated only because Cavendish is in the 325...)

They are probably two archive lasts chosen by RL and not used in the current catalogue.

 

[Fiddler]

Here, rotate this image 180

I love simple strong designs like this and the grained leather...what is this model called?

 

[clee1982]

alexSF, so no wonder so much sizing question about PTB...

 

[jrd617]

Grasmere

 

[chipshot]



^ PTB isn't made on the 341 last (as the tassel isn't made on the 325 or 72 as some stated only because Cavendish is in the 325...)

They are probably two archive lasts chosen by RL and not used in the current catalogue.

Owning both RL PTB and Ashworth, the RL Marlow PTB is indeed not 341. It is not as pointy as the Ashdown. The beauty of C&J Burgandy Shell is amazing. Lovin the Ashdown shape, not a Bulbous Alden look.

 

[jrd617]

What's the PTB on then?


I've heard the theory that the RL shoes are on substantially different lasts, but I don't buy it, at least for the wingtip and loafer

The penny is basically the Boston with a fullstrap
Wingtip is the Pembroke with some broguing differences

 

[sevenfoldtieguy]



What's the PTB on then?


I've heard the theory that the RL shoes are on substantially different lasts, but I don't buy it, at least for the wingtip and loafer

The penny is basically the Boston with a fullstrap
Wingtip is the Pembroke with some broguing differences

The C&J for RL Marlow PTB and Marlow SWB and Lindrick boot are on the 325 last. I own them all.

 

[Tuur]

Interesting. I'm gonna buy either the Lonsdale in the 363-last or the Audley in the 337-last. I have shoes on the 348-last and I'll make the choice Audley/Lonsdale on which one fits the closest to the 348-last.

On the basis of this chart I would say the 363-last is closer to the 348-last then to the 337. Or not?

 

[Celadon]

This chart makes it look as if all these shoes are roughly the same length in any given size. Is that really correct?

 

[FredAstaire1899]

I don't believe so. I have an a 337 and a 363 in a UK 7. I think the 363 is almost 1 cm longer than the 337, although they are actually about the same width. The 363 is probably a bit too long for me, as some extra leather between the toe cap and laces digs back in on the vamp on my shorter foot. The lasting of the 363 makes it look narrower than it really is.

I am also in the process of deciding between an Audley and Lonsdale. I prefer the round toe but I think the Audley is a better fit.

I think the Connaught is about 1 cm shorter and 1 cm wider in the UK 7 as compared with the 363.

Shame they don't make HGs on the 360 any more.

 

[BespokeKiwi]

Interesting. I'm gonna buy either the Lonsdale in the 363-last or the Audley in the 337-last. I have shoes on the 348-last and I'll make the choice Audley/Lonsdale on which one fits the closest to the 348-last.

On the basis of this chart I would say the 363-last is closer to the 348-last then to the 337. Or not?

Tuur, ditto.

I recently purchased a pair of 348 Milton boots and will upload some photos of them shortly. Like yourself, I've been closely studying the rearranged last comparison chart above and am leaning towards the 363 Lonsdale too, for my next C&J purchase of capped Oxford shoes. Also, I'm considering the 341 Radstock too.

I do prefer the sleek looking (square toe) 348 last, albeit for my C&J Tetbury and Milford boots. I think the small round toes of the 363 last are just as sleek looking as the 348 last however, they are arguably more traditional (classic) in their appearance than the 348 to my (conservative / 50 years old) eyes.

Of course, this assumes the actual 363 Lonsdale shoes received are as they appear in the above last comparison chart. Good luck with your planned purchase. In my own case, I will provide an update once my new 363 Lonsdale (or 341 Radstock) shoes have been received.