Lebron biggest b@$#tch ever

[xCrunchx]

Basketball doesnt require the public to like you. Detroit BadBoys showed that. If he cares about winning then he doesnt have to care about evry guy on the street liking him, selling shoes and clothing is a side job. hes a baller not a designer -_- Now if lebron james wants to know what he should do is shut up and play basketball, you are not the greatest ever unless your team puts the ball in the circle more times than the other team.

 

[RFX45]

Originally Posted by xCrunchx

Basketball doesnt require the public to like you. Detroit BadBoys showed that. If he cares about winning then he doesnt have to care about evry guy on the street liking him, selling shoes and clothing is a side job. hes a baller not a designer -_- Now if lebron james wants to know what he should do is shut up and play basketball, you are not the greatest ever unless your team puts the ball in the circle more times than the other team.

It doesn't require you to be an asshole and an egotistical maniac to play ball either. MJ is one of the biggest douchebag on the face of the earth but most people doesn't know it because he isn't a jackass who has to make an hour long special on a decision. He doesn't dance around in the sideline and pretend to take pictorials in the pre-games. MJ actually has a pretty good image and this is a guy who talks trash to his own teammates and he is still considered the best.

I still don't know how people can defend his actions. Believe it or not but LBJ is the image of NBA, he is the poster child and the biggest name in the league, arguably even in the sports world. He will have fans, kids look up to him. Why not show some class and be humble instead of doing all the unnecessary ****? The hate on him didn't come out of nowhere, he brought it to himself.

 

[SField]

Originally Posted by RFX45

It doesn't require you to be an asshole and an egotistical maniac to play ball either. MJ is one of the biggest douchebag on the face of the earth but most people doesn't know it because he isn't a jackass who has to make an hour long special on a decision. He doesn't dance around in the sideline and pretend to take pictorials in the pre-games. MJ actually has a pretty good image and this is a guy who talks trash to his own teammates and he is still considered the best.

I still don't know how people can defend his actions. Believe it or not but LBJ is the image of NBA, he is the poster child and the biggest name in the league, arguably even in the sports world. He will have fans, kids look up to him. Why not show some class and be humble instead of doing all the unnecessary ****? The hate on him didn't come out of nowhere, he brought it to himself.

I like how you seem to be one of the only people here who is capable of separating his skill on the court from his actions off the court. It's hilarious how some "sports fans" here basically said he's nothing special all because they hate him, completely ignoring how dominant of a player he is.

 

[Tokyo Slim]

Originally Posted by gladhands

No, but I can look into the past and see that James owns 25% of all MVP awards handed out during his career and 3% of ALL MVP awards ever. If he never sniffs another award, and plays 12 more seasons, he would have won 10% of MVPs during his career. I think that might make him top 50 of all time.
So your assertion that he's one of the 50 greatest basketball players of all time comes down to the fact that he dominates popularity contests? I really hope you are kidding. Lebron has won two MVP awards. Kareem Abdul Jabbar has six. Bill Russel and MJ have five a piece. Lebron has the same exact number of NBA MVP awards as Bob Pettit. I don't see anyone kissing that guy's ass.

 

[HRoi]

Bob Pettit was awesome. averaged something like 30 ppg and 20 rpg in those MVP seasons and was the only guy to beat Bill Russell in the NBA finals (although that only happened once). he's definitely top 50 of all time.

it's somewhat disingenuous to refer to the MVP as a "popularity contest" btw. the people who vote for the MVP are the people whose careers are to watch NBA games, get to know players and critique them. sure, they're human and subject to bias but the process isn't bullshit.

 

[Tokyo Slim]

Originally Posted by HRoi

Bob Pettit was awesome. averaged something like 30 ppg and 20 rpg in those MVP seasons and was the only guy to beat Bill Russell in the NBA finals (although that only happened once). he's definitely top 50 of all time. it's somewhat disingenuous to refer to the MVP as a "popularity contest" btw. the people who vote for the MVP are the people whose careers are to watch NBA games, get to know players and critique them. sure, they're human and subject to bias but the process isn't bullshit.
It's a panel of sports writers and broadcasters, and now they even have fan voting. If I know anything, it's that most sportswriters and broadcasters are not fair, impartial, or even usually very educated. Where's the player and coach vote? Those are the people who's job it is to watch players and critique them. Not broadcasters. It's probably better than picking names out of a hat, but saying that sportswriters and broadcasters as a whole are experts in anything other than broadcasting or entertainment writing about sports is kinda pushing it.

I'm not saying that he won't have a long and illustrious career. I don't know that and neither does anyone else, but for a guy who is supposedly the best basketball player in the NBA, and one of the 50 greatest ever, it's just kinda puzzling to me that during the one year where he single handedly lifted what was supposedly the worst basketball team ever assembled (if you believe any of what people in this thread are saying) into the NBA playoffs (where they got swept by the Spurs) Dirk Nowitski was the most valuable player in the league. Does that not call into question the accuracy of the MVP voting? Did a weird looking German dude mean more to a fairly stacked Dallas Mav's team than Lebron did to the Cav's that year? Evidently he did, he's got the MVP award to prove it. I'm just saying that in the pantheon of ways that you could show that Lebron James is awesome, that one kinda sucks. MVP's are like assholes. Everyone's got at least one, even Kobe.

 

[Rambo]

How can anyone compare Lebron in the same light to Barry Sanders? That's just ridiculous.

And I thought this thread was about comparing Lebron to Jordan. When did it become about Lebron being no good? :-/

 

[HRoi]

Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim

It's a panel of sports writers and broadcasters, and now they even have fan voting. If I know anything, it's that most sportswriters and broadcasters are not fair, impartial, or even usually very educated. Where's the player and coach vote? Those are the people who's job it is to watch players and critique them. Not broadcasters. It's probably better than picking names out of a hat, but saying that sportswriters and broadcasters as a whole are experts in anything other than broadcasting or entertainment writing about sports is kinda pushing it.

I'm not saying that he won't have a long and illustrious career. I don't know that and neither does anyone else, but for a guy who is supposedly the best basketball player in the NBA, and one of the 50 greatest ever, it's just kinda puzzling to me that during the one year where he single handedly lifted what was supposedly the worst basketball team ever assembled (if you believe any of what people in this thread are saying) into the NBA playoffs (where they got swept by the Spurs) Dirk Nowitski was the most valuable player in the league. Does that not call into question the accuracy of the MVP voting? Did a weird looking German dude mean more to a fairly stacked Dallas Mav's team than Lebron did to the Cav's that year? Evidently he did, he's got the MVP award to prove it. I'm just saying that in the pantheon of ways that you could show that Lebron James is awesome, that one kinda sucks. MVP's are like assholes. Everyone's got at least one, even Kobe.
well, i actually agree that players and coaches should have votes. not sure why no league has done that. although obviously they can't have the only votes because they are unavoidably biased. the final MVP voting may be controversial some years but i would argue that the media will at least get the top 3 right. and last year Lebron got more than 90% of the first place votes IIRC. i won't argue that individual sportswriters can't be stupid, but to get almost the entire industry to vote for an undeserving candidate, would have to involve some kind of massive conspiracy. naturally the only solution to this issue is to let Michelle Beadle pick the MVP. because she is awesome

 

[Tokyo Slim]

Originally Posted by HRoi

i won't argue that individual sportswriters can't be stupid, but to get almost the entire industry to vote for an undeserving candidate, would have to involve some kind of massive conspiracy.

How about a world class marketing team?

 

[scientific]

i keep wondering is b@$#tch = bastitch?

 

[robertorex]

In addition to Dirk, I can remember that Steve Nash and Kevin Garnett were also named MVP in recent memory. Karl Malone was named MVP in a year when Michael Jordan led the Bulls to 69 wins.

Lebron is one of the best basketball players on the planet. But when you throw the term "greatest" into there you start a conversation about legacy, whether or not kids want to be him, etc. A lot of older players are remembered as great in spite of off-court behavior because they didn't go out of their way to self-aggrandize their superstardom. Lebron, on the other hand, can't get his ass out of hogging spotlight. So in addition to remembering an immense talent, we also remember what may or may not be a petulant child in a basketball machine's body.

 

[embowafa]

burn.
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[LawrenceMD]

Originally Posted by grundletaint

if you want to bastardize it, sure.... my position extends further than just lebron. is marino not one of the greats simply because he never won a super bowl?

Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim

If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick the three best QB's of all time, he's not on the list. His stats might make an argument for it, but stats do not trump winning. That being said, his career is over, and you know where he stands historically. You do not know where Lebron James stands historically. You can only guess at this point how many games he'll win, how many years he'll play, etc.
this is a very heated argument which indirectly involves dolphins. tread lightly...