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[The Ernesto]



Dim lights thick smoke and loud, loud music..
I've always liked the Bakersfield sound and now Dwight.
First Melb concert ASO

Fell for Dwight when he popped up one night on Rock Around the World all those years ago.

 

[tobiasj]



Would defo go the nail head for summer. Both nice but.

You think 9.5oz flannel is too hot for summer here?

 

[thebrownman]



You think 9.5oz flannel is too hot for summer here?

Yes. But office air conditioning is another environment entirely.

 

[fxh]



Ahh - by "hard" you mean "try hard"... yeah I can see how that could be levelled at him.

No I don't mean try hard - altho that may well be true.

I suppose like a lot of these things its hard to put in words but easier to show if I could get pics of the same person wearing hard then softer look.

Basically I think one of the big things wrong with most men here in Oz and possibly everywhere else - is dressing for a hard business look. I assume its tied up with Abbott like notions of masculinity and toughness vs femininity and softness, although many women do it too, possibly they are just as influenced by notions of masculinity = hardness and success /power in business.

I think the hard look is a bit overdone in business (one reason I like a lot of IVY influenced stuff) but is particularly problematic in casual clothes and at weekends.

Quickly - lets contrast say - in the same milieu - or meeting room - a dark grey/charcoal nondescript suit that you see everywhere - worsted - or even a navy suit ( which I don't see that much) and white poplin shirt with the usual good quality silk tie with a bit of shine and sparkle and black mirror shine spit polish shoes captoes with black nylon short socks, big blokey watch silver expanding link band - my other bloke is in a mid navy textured ,say hopsack weave, wool jacket, oxford cloth medium spread shirt, possibly even a plain blue silk knit tie, medium grey flannel ( I mean slight nap not necessarily full on unworsted flannel) grey wool OTC ribbed socks and dark brown suede shoes, plain flat medium size watch and brown leather strap.

Bloke No1 one is dressed hard - bloke No 2 soft.
No 2 in most cases is dressed more than appropriately for most situations these days. Or bloke two can dress in flannel suit, same blue shirt, medium dark brown leather shoes and subdued grenadine tie - still softer.

Now its not all that bad in a business situation but going casual and what do you see No 1 - casual fridays - (really casual Sunday to Saturday but lets leave that) jeans - even nice jeans are a bit hard looking, black polished shoes or boots, white shirt poplin and say an old worsted suit jacket - still a hard look. No 2 might go, clean khaki chinos, blue OCBD, suede chukkas or brown leather chukkas, relaxed cotton blue jacket.

An even harder look ,which sadly many suburban dads seem compelled to emulate (badly), is the rocker/ bikie look, leather jacket, jeans, dark t shirt, black boots leather, big belt buckle. Or some weak suburban variation of this look with leather car coat, Russian Mafia style, floral shirt or denim shirt, or the horror of horrors the orphan suit jacket worn over a T shirt etc.

The english - well at least those interested - might argue city vs country model - I'm more interested, at the moment, in hard vs soft in some ways.

Any of that make sense?

 

[The Ernesto]



You think 9.5oz flannel is too hot for summer here?

All subjective, but I know It would be for me. Just wouldn't feel comfortable. Also, for me, I know it would have a psychological impact, i.e. I'd be conscience of it. Does that make sense?

 

[thebrownman]

No socks. Hard or soft?

 

[The Ernesto]



No socks. Hard or soft?

Damp.

 

[fxh]



You think 9.5oz flannel is too hot for summer here?

It depends a lot. As others have said.

If you walk 4 metres out of home to an air con car and then drive to an underground car park aircon and then up in the air con lift to and air con office and then repeat the same trip in reverse at night - as I have done at times then it depends how the inside environment is set - some I've been in you could wear an over coat all day inside in summer others you need shorts and bare feet in winter..

If in the other hand you walk 2 ks to the train,stand up with all the others for 30 minutes then walk 6 blocks to work and such then perhaps not.

Remember though - theres no one SUMMER in Melbourne - many a xmas day requires a woolly jumper and raincoat and theres many days when you wouldn't worry about wearing a parka.

 

[fxh]



No socks. Hard or soft?

wet and weak

 

[fxh]



All subjective, but I know It would be for me. Just wouldn't feel comfortable. Also, for me, I know it would have a psychological impact, i.e. I'd be conscience of it. Does that make sense?

yeah - its like linen says summer, cool blues and white even if they wear hot say summer.

I never feel right wearing a striped coloured canvas belt in winter. They say summer - or at least spring.

Bare ankles and shoes - what do they say........

 

[Henry Carter]



You think 9.5oz flannel is too hot for summer here?

It's too hot for spring, let alone summer! I have a pair of these and yeah it's too hot already to wear them. It's only a fairly mild 24 here today and I wouldn't dream of it. So i'd stick with the nailhead. The nap of the flannel also has a lot more friction which kind of makes them even warmer than compared to a worsted or nailhead of the same weight.

 

[The Ernesto]



yeah - its like linen says summer, cool blues and white even if they wear hot say summer.
I never feel right wearing a striped coloured canvas belt in winter. They say summer - or at least spring.
Bare ankles and shoes - what do they say........

Plonker.

 

[jobro]



hhaha

if its MOP shirt buttons, we are using the Prestige Buttons for our upcoming Buttoniere's. They have incredible nacre and lustre

Buttons in a floral arrangement?

 

[TehBunny]

What is better for summer a fresco or a tropical worsted?

 

[tobiasj]

Thanks for the comments guys--I'll go nailhead for now and maybe the flannel next time. And fxh, the hard vs soft thing makes a lot of sense. Good stuff.