I won't malign the full windsor, but I think that you will find few who use this knot often. If you are, as I am, fond of high quality ties, you can appreciate that you can usually achieve a tight and substantial knot without more complexity than that offered by the four-in-hand. Â If you're familiar with Robert Talbott Seven-Fold ties, which come standard in 58", you will have noted that there is little more required for a perfect knot than a four-in-hand; however, Talbott ties MSRP will run you $195.00.. Â I've picked up a few NWT on ebay from a seller of impeccible reputation, but wouldn't pay full retail for a RT 7-fold, mostly because the designs are just unattractive (IMHO). Â Other true or "modified" 7-folds really don't do much better...dog-ugly patterns, i.e. Kiton & Brioni. Â What I've found is that for the money, you simply can't do better than Carlo Franco ties. Â Chuck produces a great tie, period... Â I've the best ties in the world, and I just can't fault Chuck for his effort to offer a tie of the highest quality for a price that is reasonable. Hell, for $99.00 plus shipping, and Chuck's guarantee that if you're not satisified he'll take the item back, no one can reasonably bitch until they have at least an objective point from which to argue.