Tie knot recommendations

I currently use a four-in-four-in-hand (four-in-hand with an extra loop) tie knot.  Because I wear my suit pants at my natural waist, the tip of the tie is inevitably well past my belt buckle.  I would greatly appreciate any recommendations for attractive knots that end around the buckle.

Try the half windsor--more of the tie is involved in the knot so less of it hangs below the wide-end's tip.

I second the half-windsor: I've also found that it's easier to get the tie dimple with that.

i 3rd the half windsor
nice substantial knot but not too large

I usually use a half windsor, but on occasion will use the  Pratt-Shelby knot.  It's a quit nice knot that isn't difficult to tie but holds its position and shape very well.

pratt-shelby--so that is what its called. I switched from half windsor to this because it seemed to work well for me. And I usually can get it right the first time.

I've noticed that in the last 10 years the length of ties has grown by several inches, something I find annoying. I'm 5'10" and every tie that I would tie with a standard four in hand either will hang too low or I have to tuck the short end into my trousers. A buddy of my speculates that the length increase is to accomodate America's ever expanding waist lines.

As a guy of below average size 5'8" 15" neck ties are just too long especially with the 4-in hand so I (came up with) I'm sure Im not the first a version of it that works better. Real simple just like tying a regular 4-in hand make one extra loop around the small end befor going behind and back out the rabit hole. This step makes the 4-in hand a little bigger takes more tie and makes tying some tricky ties just a little easier.
I hope that was clear if not I can try to expain better,
Im not a particularly good descriptive writing.

hope this helps,
Joseph

Another possibility for those members who are not so tall is to consider custom ties. Â OTP ties have always been of proper length for me, so I can't provide you with a practical referral for custom, but I'm sure that others here can; however, should a trip to Napoli be in your future, be sure to visit E. Marinella which makes some of the finest ties available, and has a custom program.

I find all I can do with most ties is 4 in hand and an occasional half Windsor. And 18 inch neck developed through years of grappling, wrestling and judo prohibits any full Windsor's... ....

I won't malign the full windsor, but I think that you will find few who use this knot often.

If you are, as I am, fond of high quality ties, you can appreciate that you can usually achieve a tight and substantial knot without more complexity than that offered by the four-in-hand.  If you're familiar with Robert Talbott Seven-Fold ties, which come standard in 58", you will have noted that there is little more required for a perfect knot than a four-in-hand; however, Talbott ties MSRP will run you $195.00..  I've picked up a few NWT on ebay from a seller of impeccible reputation, but wouldn't pay full retail for a RT 7-fold, mostly because the designs are just unattractive (IMHO).  Other true or "modified" 7-folds really don't do much better...dog-ugly patterns, i.e. Kiton & Brioni.  What I've found is that for the money, you simply can't do better than Carlo Franco ties.  Chuck produces a great tie, period...  I've the best ties in the world, and I just can't fault Chuck for his effort to offer a tie of the highest quality for a price that is reasonable.

Hell, for $99.00 plus shipping, and Chuck's guarantee that if you're not satisified he'll take the item back, no one can reasonably ***** until they have at least an objective point from which to argue.

On the flip side of the discussion, does anyone have a recommendation for ties that are particularly well suited for the tall? I'm 6'3" and have a 17 neck, and I find that the skinny part of most of the ties I own is too narrow to give me the substantial knot that i'm looking for -- both with a four-in-hand and half windsor (and not nearly enough tie length for a full windsor).

The higher pricepoint Brooks Brothers ties seem to pretty consistently have a wider narrow end, but they don't have much of a selection at the higher pricepoint. Any suggestions?