I just got confirmation of shipment of my Darltons wingtips, oh yeah
The brown, if same as the Darton penny loafer, is a gorgeous dark brown, no hint of any burgundy in it like #8, most closest to cigar but not quite. Unique, which is what I like. Made in England by Crockett & Jones, which does a finer finish on little details than Alden. All in all a great deal at almost 50% off retail.
I notice that the shoe has sold out.