The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

[depechedior]

Rubens barrichello? I love mine!

Wore this out today

With Maison margiela cardigan and Dior homme jeans and Lanvin sneakers

Yup Rubens barrichello 2 in titanium

The king of AP's - well one of them
Anyway haha

 

[depechedior]

+1 Ditto for bell & ross and hublot...though I confess I've owned both brands (still have my bell and Ross phantom chrono ltd ed)

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Quote: Hi Guys,

Yes I'm aware of Panerai's history of using outsourced movements. I'm not against Panerai using outsourced movements, I'm opposed to them using ordinary or rather inexpensive movements, and then charging a lot for their watches. Please understand that I am not opposed to spending good money on a watch with an outsourced movement (I have a Cartier Tank XL with a Piaget movement and a Rolex Daytona that used a Zenith El Primero as a base). Outsourced movements have been used in many of the finest brands including Patek, AP, and VC.

What I am opposed to is spending a lot of money on a watch say $6K on a Panerai knowing that the same base Unitas movement or ETA movement is sitting in my friend's $700 watch. If the PAM was say $2K and it used a movement that is found in watches that are $700-$,1000 well its more understandable at the price point. At more than $5K its a tough pill to swallow. Also, I've seen the movements in the base PAM, they do some work on it but just not enough to really differentiate it from the the base movement or justify its price. However, as long as people buy the models that have ordinary movements in them Panerai will continue to use them.

Also if you read the last sentence of my eariler post I said "My big wish for Panerai is more in house movements or the use of movements from finer companies such as F.Piguet, JLC (since its under the same ownership), maybe Zenith...rather than using Unitas, Valjoux etc." So I'm not saying they have to use only in house movements, I wish that their outsourced movements were movements that from what are considered finer movement makers and movements that I will not be seeing in $700-$1,000 dollar watches.

There is nothing wrong with a watch that used an ETA or Valjoux movment. Afterall, they will get the job done and if you are satisfied with the end product thats all that matters at the end of the day. However, when putting a good some of money into a watch, I'd prefer that it didn't use an ordinary movement once the watch is in a certain price range. YMMV.

Best regards,
Dino

 

[in stitches]

Very well said gdl and dino, i dont think there is a right or wrong here, just a difference of values.

 

[in stitches]

Tried these 2 on today. Would love to go with numero uno (372 i think) but i fear its not in the budget. I REALLY liked the 112 on my wrist. Not huge fran of the black leather strap tho, would defo want to swap out for tan calf or brown croc.

Sadly they did not have the 176 for me to see in person.

The quest continues.

 

[mktitsworth]

Not to be the donnie downer of this Panerai love fest, but I don't like either of them. All of the recent Panerai (to say nothing of the rest of the watches posted) have seemed overly aggressive, masculine, and lacking in elegance. While these two certainly maintain a kind of simplicity that I find desirable, they are overly modern and I find the emphasis on building the dial as a dark mask over the light background puts a weird emphasis on the negative space and creates a sort of embossed effect that I grates with me.

 

[Mr. Moo]

lol @ overly modern

 

[in stitches]

No worries M, panerai isnt for everyone.

 

[mktitsworth]



No worries M, panerai isnt for everyone.

Lately I've been finding myself really drawn to vintage 40s-60s manual designs. I've even been considering lurking on watchuseek to see if I can learn enough to be educated when going out and buying.

 

[Mr. Moo]

Panerai from 1952:

Panerai from today:

So... overly modern, is it?

 

[mktitsworth]

Fair enough.

 

[gdl203]



I'm not against Panerai using outsourced movements, I'm opposed to them using ordinary or rather inexpensive movements, and then charging a lot for their watches. 

What I am opposed to is spending a lot of money on a watch say $6K on a Panerai knowing that the same base Unitas movement or ETA movement is sitting in my friend's $700 watch. 

Couple of points:
(1) I don't disagree and would prefer that the watches were cheaper... And they were before Vendome bought, and for a little while before they realized the dramatic supply/demand imbalance for these watches and priced them accordingly
(2) these are tool watches that require (a) rugged, proven and reliable movements and (b) large enough to fill a 44mm case without huge silly spacers. When you think of it, there are very few available ebauches that fit these criteria. On the face of it, Unitas is simply the best solution for this watch, regardless of price. They had from the very first Ltd editions, and for smaller cases, some more inteesting movements (I have a Pam98 with a F. Piguet movement for example) but these are generally not as rugged and reliable as a good old Unitas

 

[UnnamedPlayer]

Wore this out today

With Maison margiela cardigan and Dior homme jeans and Lanvin sneakers

This is such a toolbag watch that it has been designed to have no chance to slip under the cuff and out of sight.

Reminds me the gay pride slogan "Lound & Proud"

 

[Grammaton Cleric]

in_stitches - I think the 372 at 47mm is also big for your wrist. The 112 looks great.

 

[smashwindow]

I hope this >45mm watch trend dies.

 

[Nouveau Pauvre]



This is such a toolbag watch that it has been designed to have no chance to slip under the cuff and out of sight.

Reminds me the gay pride slogan "Lound & Proud"

Gay pride slogans don't cost as much as a townhouse....