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post #1021 of 1663
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

Damn.

Shanahan=Idiot
post #1022 of 1663
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

Niners really only have 1 receiver who is the quality of the Packers' 5. (+1 DeJuan also racked up a few yards last week) And Aaron Rodgers vs. Kapernick (sp)? C'mon.
Suggest the usual avi bet...

You're forgetting that the defenses have to play too...
post #1023 of 1663
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Damn.

shit. frown.gif
post #1024 of 1663
feel sorry for RGIII. hope he's the same exciting player after surgery. Shanahan deserves the criticism, but he's only one of many people to blame for this, including Griffin himself. it shows you that this campaign for player safety is still mostly bullshit in this league
post #1025 of 1663
Sucks to hear about RGIII. Interesting that this whole thing went down in Washington, where the Nats took the exact opposite approach with Strasburg, and got just as much grief. One of those situations where you probably can't win (with regard to public opinion) no matter what you do.
post #1026 of 1663
Obviously bad news about Griffin. The silver lining is that the best doctor on the world operated on the knee and the patient is very self-motivated to get back to where he was before the injury. I hope he has Peterson on speed dial.
post #1027 of 1663
so the RGIII ACL reconstruct was done using a patellar tendon harvested from his healthy knee.

using a patellar tendon has some differences/advantages compared to a hamstrings tendon graft.
- the patellar tendon graft will have bone on each end which will naturally fuse with the drilled anchor points.
- the patellar grafts bone to bone connection usually means faster fusing/healing time inside the knee.
- sometimes you are already out and doing heavy workouts/rehabs within 4months.

disadvantages:
- its an open surgery. (using hamstrings graft for ACL reconstruct can be done totally athroscopically).
- so there can be issues with infection especially at the incision points (this is what happened with tom brady). locker rooms, gyms, rehab centers are higher risk for resistant skin infections.
- also there can be constriction issues after suturing which can be tough to deal with during rehab during mobility and range of motion exercises.
- higher risk for debilitating arthritis (which is a risk for any professional athlete anyway).


if he was balling at an olympic speed level with his previous ACL reconstruct (which was a little iffy even after it looks like) then he should be ok and at an elite level next season as well. plus he's already gone through all the experience and mental issues of rehab and trusting a surgically repaired knee so he should be fine. there's a semi-misnomer about these type of knee surgeries being a "two year recovery". anatomically-physiologically wise its actually fine within the first year - its the mental aspect that can prolong it.

if adrian peterson can do it then RGIII should be in an even better situation (since he isn't a running back).
post #1028 of 1663
While RG3 is at it, might as well consult the German doctor that worked on Kobe's knees. Whatever that was, it's working.
post #1029 of 1663
I don't think this is going to be bad for him at all in the long run. He's too skinny to run as much as he does. This will slow him down and make him work on his (already good) passing game. He'll be a better quarteback for it.
post #1030 of 1663
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

so the RGIII ACL reconstruct was done using a patellar tendon harvested from his healthy knee.

using a patellar tendon has some differences/advantages compared to a hamstrings tendon graft.
- the patellar tendon graft will have bone on each end which will naturally fuse with the drilled anchor points.
- the patellar grafts bone to bone connection usually means faster fusing/healing time inside the knee.
- sometimes you are already out and doing heavy workouts/rehabs within 4months.

disadvantages:
- its an open surgery. (using hamstrings graft for ACL reconstruct can be done totally athroscopically).
- so there can be issues with infection especially at the incision points (this is what happened with tom brady). locker rooms, gyms, rehab centers are higher risk for resistant skin infections.
- also there can be constriction issues after suturing which can be tough to deal with during rehab during mobility and range of motion exercises.
- higher risk for debilitating arthritis (which is a risk for any professional athlete anyway).


if he was balling at an olympic speed level with his previous ACL reconstruct (which was a little iffy even after it looks like) then he should be ok and at an elite level next season as well. plus he's already gone through all the experience and mental issues of rehab and trusting a surgically repaired knee so he should be fine. there's a semi-misnomer about these type of knee surgeries being a "two year recovery". anatomically-physiologically wise its actually fine within the first year - its the mental aspect that can prolong it.

if adrian peterson can do it then RGIII should be in an even better situation (since he isn't a running back).

Not necessarily, AP has much more powerful leg muscles that can help to stabilize the joint in my (admittedly anecdotal) experience, he also had a healthy knee before the tear unlike RG3.

They are already talking about him being 100% and starting next season, that is idiotic in my opinion. Revascularization of the tendon takes a good year during which it is much more vulnerable to tears or stretches. If you want the guy to be your starter for the next 15 years you don't rush him back from his second ACL reconstruction.
post #1031 of 1663
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Originally Posted by thinman View Post

You're forgetting that the defenses have to play too...

Yep. And as I noted, the Patriots and Seahawks hung some serious points on the Niners 2 of the last 3 weeks. Their D is getting worse, whereas the Packers' is getting better. Packers won't try to run so all they need is to protect Rogers. Niners will get 4-6 sacks. But Matthews and Woodson will get 2-3. Packers by 3.
post #1032 of 1663
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

feel sorry for RGIII. hope he's the same exciting player after surgery. Shanahan deserves the criticism, but he's only one of many people to blame for this, including Griffin himself. it shows you that this campaign for player safety is still mostly bullshit in this league

It doesn't help when the player is selfish and thinks he's superman. Shanahan surely fucked up as a coach and leader, but Griffin should've also recognized he was at the very least totally unproductive - even at half time (not to mention the the final two quarters), and made way for the more than decent backup.
post #1033 of 1663
Part of me wonders if Griffin is threatened by Cousins. He (Griffin) kept talking about how he gave the Redskins the best chance to win.
post #1034 of 1663
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

It doesn't help when the player is selfish and thinks he's superman. Shanahan surely fucked up as a coach and leader, but Griffin should've also recognized he was at the very least totally unproductive - even at half time (not to mention the the final two quarters), and made way for the more than decent backup.

and then the criticism would be about griffin's heart and putting himself ahead of the team (a la Jay Cutler), its a lose/lose.
post #1035 of 1663
I'd rather lose a little face than lose an ACL.
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