Frank and Oak vs Everlane

Has anyone had any experience with them? At a very quick glance, they look like the same model as everlane. However, from an end user point of view, their website seems way worse. Everlane's website immidiately drew me in, made me want to register, and made me want to buy things. A quick glance at Frank and Oak led me to being far less enthused with their company. An interesting experience considering the similarities.

Anyone here have any experience with them?

Do you mean Frank & Oak?

Gah, I type good . Yes, Frank and Oak.

i've gotten a few items from f&o but i don't think i'll continue unless something really grabs me. all they really have over everlane is a broader selection of products; not that it matters because everything sells out to #menswear enthusiasts in a matter of minutes every month.

2 oxfords, 1 henley, some socks and a tie

oxfords are okay... i think uniqlo oxfords are better, and cheaper especially when on sale
henley is meh... very thin fabric, stitching is sloppy
socks fell apart after 1 wash
tie seems good

i also got a blazer but sent it back because it was really ugly. it was made of jersey material, looked like a structured sweatshirt.

I didn't check which company is older, but it looks like a strait up knock off of Everlane. Everlane does a number of deceptively simple things VERY well. I think the graphic design on Everlane's website is up there with any, and the social engineering concepts they use to make people want their stuff is well done. Heck, it worked on me!

All of those things made me buy a tee shirt from Everlane. The fact that their quality actually measured up to what they claimed made me spend another couple hundred within a month buying everything they sell.



MetManChris said:

I didn't check which company is older, but it looks like a strait up knock off of Everlane.  Everlane does a number of deceptively simple things VERY well.  I think the graphic design on Everlane's website is up there with any, and the social engineering concepts they use to make people want their stuff is well done.  Heck, it worked on me!

All of those things made me buy a tee shirt from Everlane.  The fact that their quality actually measured up to what they claimed made me spend another couple hundred within a month buying everything they sell.

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Thanks for the kind analysis MMC.

We're just a couple of months older and we focus on different things - F&O has a lot more SKUs than we do and they have new styles more often. We tend to iterate on fewer SKUs.

They essentially release a new set of products every month, with a loose "theme" for each release. They tend to top things that sold out back up throughout the month, but I still found it surprisingly hard to get something as simple as a V. They really are selling out everything very quickly.

They have a trunk service as well called the 'Hunt Club'. Up until a week or two ago you were actually charged $45 (in credit) per trunk even if you chose not to keep anything. They changed that recently, so it's now free to receive three items of your choice to try out each month (free shipping back and forth). You also get free shipping, including Canada (which is unheard of - though they're Montreal based, so it makes some sense), on all non-trunk orders you make, and 10% back as store credit on each purchase.

Will report back once I receive this month's "trunk". I ordered a generic tie a few weeks ago to see the turnaround time - quality is about what you'd expect at the price point, arrived in 2 days. Not disappointed, but not blown away either.

I do like that they sell accessories (cuff links, bracelets, pocket squares, etc.) - only issue is, similar to most of their button-down shirting, the stuff looks like it's worth about as much as it costs. Seems really similar to buying something at the Express/Gap/Lands End, but we'll see what it's like in person.

I got a few shirts last month from F&O and the sizing was way off for me. I ordered two button up shirts size small, and I had to return both as they fit a lot bigger then size small at H&M and J.Crew.



hoyitsjohnny said:

I got a few shirts last month from F&O and the sizing was way off for me. I ordered two button up shirts size small, and I had to return both as they fit a lot bigger then size small at H&M and J.Crew.

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I received my first button down shirt from them last night. It's the Cardem? I can't remember the exact model.

I agree the sizing is a bit off as well. I wear a size small in pretty much everything. The shirt fit me in the neck and shoulders but it was a bit too long in length.

The sides are a touch too loose but nothing a tailor can't fix. The arms are also loose.

Overall I wasn't blown away but what do you expect for $45.

I'll take it to my tailor to have the sides and arms taken in about 1/2 inch and shortened. Will cost me $10.

I really dig the color of the shirt. Will I try them again? I'm on the fence.



druffs said:

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i've gotten a few items from f&o but i don't think i'll continue unless something really grabs me. all they really have over everlane is a broader selection of products; not that it matters because everything sells out to #menswear enthusiasts in a matter of minutes every month.

2 oxfords, 1 henley, some socks and a tie

oxfords are okay... i think uniqlo oxfords are better, and cheaper especially when on sale
henley is meh... very thin fabric, stitching is sloppy
socks fell apart after 1 wash
tie seems good

i also got a blazer but sent it back because it was really ugly. it was made of jersey material, looked like a structured sweatshirt.

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A jersey blazer sounds like it could be kind of cool. That's basically what the uu (Uniqlo Undercover) Easy Jacket is.

notwithit said:

A jersey blazer sounds like it could be kind of cool. That's basically what the uu (Uniqlo Undercover) Easy Jacket is.

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ehh... it was too structured for my taste though. the easy jacket is more of a cardigan/blazer hybrid

this was the one...it didn't help that mine was a size too big, but i just decided to return instead of exchange.

I got the Narita shirt last month and it was pretty good. Nothing for me this month though. I hope I never forget to opt-out of hunt club every month. Don't want to be charged for forgetting. Everlane looks interesting, but at the moment, selection seems rather limited.

I haven't washed my shirt yet. I'm more concerned with how long it will last. But at $45 I won't loose sleep over it.

loneyeh said:

I hope I never forget to opt-out of hunt club every month. Don't want to be charged for forgetting.

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I think with their new system (not charging you $45 in credit if you returned everything in the crate), you won't get charged. At least, that wouldn't make sense. My thoughts on F&O:

• Website is terrible, I agree. I referred two friends and the awful layout made their registrations get disconnected from my referral link. The Hunt Club product page has unnecessary loading / scrolling involved, which makes it a pain ********** to buy stuff for your crate. Much easier to just buy from their specific product pages.
• Free shipping and returns is amazing. After returning items to F&O, Suddenlee, and Everlane, the former two definitely have a superior system. Being able to print out the return label (and not be charged for it, in F&O's case) makes things really simple and quick.
• Customer service seems good. Social media presence is nice.
• Their tops are too big for me. I got one of their $50 wool blazers (they offered wool and fleece versions last month) and while I was pleased with the quality/price ratio, it was definitely too large - I'm usually an XS/S. I thought the armholes were a little low (I thought the same about the UU Easy Jacket though, so maybe I'm just too scrawny). Their shirts are also too big, and I think Uniqlo's quality blows them away, especially at a much cheaper price. Their logo is on the bottom part of the placket and would show if you rocked their shirt untucked. I like their silk ties at $25 though, and will stick to ordering some simple design neckties from them for now. If they get a smaller size (XS would be fine) for their tops (in the works, according to an employee) I'll try out a blazer again, but probably not a shirt. Just not worth it.

Basically, I like Everlane a lot more. They seem to refine their products to a much greater degree, although F&O seems more intent on quantity/variety than quality. As a result, Everlane definitely blows away F&O from a value standpoint - I'm fine with a smaller wardrobe so that suits me just fine. If Everlane comes out with some buttondowns and more silk ties (only one of their ties has been silk so far and it was kinda ugly) and offers a return label option, I'd probably never check Frank & Oak's website again.

A couple of you guys have compared it to Uniqlo. Unfortunately we don't have that store in Canada.