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post #796 of 806
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So confused with sizing. I thought I had it worked out until I visited Carmina site.
Why is it that Epaulet and Gentlemensfootwear have the US to UK equivalent size as 1 size down, ie. a UK8.5 = US9.5 but when you go to the Carmina site and look at their size chart it's .5 size down, ie. a UK9=US9.5?
I'm thinking about ordering the navy string tie loafer in whatever size would be closest to a US9.5 but now I don't know whether to go w/ the UK8.5 or UK9.
I wear an Alden US9 Barrie, US9.5 Hampton.
Any help is appreciated.

Is your foot wider or narrower? My feet are on the narrow side of medium: my left foot is size 9.25C and my right foot is size 9.5D on the Brannock scale. I wear size UK8.5 in every Carmina last I have tried. The narrower lasts fit me better than the wider ones. Keep in mind that a loafer last will be narrower because there are no laces to tighten the shoe over the foot.
post #797 of 806
^ I have a "normal" D width but narrow pointy lasts do bug me so maybe a tad on the wide. I just tried on the Alden Copley last (loafer) in a US9.5D and they fit great. I think I may just go with the UK8.5. I'm afraid if I go with the UK9 as suggested by Carmina's chart, I'll get slippage and that's no bueno on a loafer.
post #798 of 806
For a loafer I'd go 1.5 size lower than the brannock us size to convert to the uk size, if it is the uetam last, as Epaulet recommends. You need a snug fit on the loafer especially if you will wear it without socks. If it is too tightly least you will know for sure you should go half size up.

Trust me I went with Carmina half size recommendation and ended up with a shoe that was a finger width too long... Let me know how it goes and curse or thank me later smile.gif
post #799 of 806
^Oh man, I don't know what I'm going to do. I may have to just wait until I can get to a shop and try on some Carmina's in person. I haven't had much luck sizing loafers online anyway.
post #800 of 806
Yeah it is tough with loafers. I have learned that you have to pick a fit as snug as you can otherwise you will suffer in the first long walk you have. To pick the perfect fit is best but if you are off by just a half size some adhesive pads might do the trick if you will wear it without socks. The Carmina sizing suggestion is really off... Even their customer service suggested to go a full size down after I showed them how their original conversion worked out, hence my 1.5 recommendation
post #801 of 806
Hi everyone, I'm part of the frankenstitch MTO. Its on the Oscar last and I have no sizing experience. I'm able to go to NY and was thinking epaulet or the armoury but neither have a shoe on the Oscar it seems. I measure 10.5 d low arch. Is there another last or something similar I can try in NYC?
post #802 of 806
Anyone care to help me with sizing the Oscar last? Would appreciate it. I'm in on the same frankenstitch jumper as surefire.

I have a rain Chukka in 6 UK which has no heel slip but it's pretty roomy compared to my EG 6E 202 and GG 6F TG73 shoes which I would consider my best fitting shoes. My concern is the instep mainly but there is room in the toe box, length, and width as my toes can wiggle pretty freely. It doesn't hurt or anything, it's just not snug. As you can see in the photo below, I am laced up pretty tightly so I assume it wouldn't fit if this were an oxford or monkstrap. Would this be better in a jumper?



I think conventional wisdom would put me as a 5.5 UK rain / oscar but I have never tried either. The only other Carmina I tried was 5.5 UK Uetam loafer. One of the uetam was too tight to try on and the other barely fit me as it was tight in length, width, and very tight in instep.

Would you guys go with 6 UK or 5.5 UK?

Thanks!

Provided more sizing in different brands below.
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Gaziano Girling
6F UK TG73 Last - Best Fit
6F UK TG73 Last - Best Fit
6E UK TG73 - Wholecut is an okay fit. Very snug. Similar comments to 82 last.
6.5E UK TG73 - Wigmore is an okay fit slightly long but no heel slip but overall comfortable.
6.5E UK MH71 - Slightly long, heel slip. Cannot tighten all the way over the instep. May be because the hove has less eyelets and it is a derby.

Edward Green
6E UK 202 Last - Best Fit
6E UK 606 Last - Best Fit
6E UK 82 last - Cap toe and wingtip are a decent fit most of the time, very snug like a glove. As small and narrow as I can go. Sometimes my pinky toe hurts or the toe box feels cramped, especially after I walk in the shoes for mile.

Vass
39.5 P2 Last - shell - I have to wear thin leather insoles to fit in the instep. Very roomy overall.
39.5 F Last - w/goyser and shell - Instep is way too high, has heel slip and cannot tie all the way. Better in the waist than P2 last but need an insole. Too wide and roomy for my foot because of goyser.
40 U Last - calf - can only fit with insole and tongue pad. Instep way too high. Better fit in the waist than other lasts and width is fine.

Meermin
6 UK Olfe last - good fit - no heel slip, very small V when laced, comfortable width and length. Not as snug as GG & EG.

Carmina
6 UK Rain last - I am not sure about this one. It is a Chukka so I may not be assessing fit correctly. No heel slip, comfortable width. Not sure if I could fit 5.5 UK as I have not tried it yet.


Allen Edmonds
7D US 5 Last - This shoe is comfortable, widest V of all my shoes. Good width and length seems fine. 6.5 seems to be too short and my pinky toe touches the wall
post #803 of 806
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Anyone care to help me with sizing the Oscar last? Would appreciate it. I'm in on the same frankenstitch jumper as surefire.

I have a rain Chukka in 6 UK which has no heel slip but it's pretty roomy compared to my EG 6E 202 and GG 6F TG73 shoes which I would consider my best fitting shoes. My concern is the instep mainly but there is room in the toe box, length, and width as my toes can wiggle pretty freely. It doesn't hurt or anything, it's just not snug. As you can see in the photo below, I am laced up pretty tightly so I assume it wouldn't fit if this were an oxford or monkstrap. Would this be better in a jumper?



I think conventional wisdom would put me as a 5.5 UK rain / oscar but I have never tried either. The only other Carmina I tried was 5.5 UK Uetam loafer. One of the uetam was too tight to try on and the other barely fit me as it was tight in length, width, and very tight in instep.

Would you guys go with 6 UK or 5.5 UK?

Thanks!

Provided more sizing in different brands below.

 

 

I am around the same size as you. My brannock measurement is 7D and I wear a 6.5E in the 5 last. My one shoe in the oscar last is a 6 UK and it fits very well, which is what size I suggest to you. Also, what do you think of those 6 UK rain chukkas beyond a sizing point of view. I've been eyeing that same pair in 6 UK on the Carmina site.

post #804 of 806
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I am around the same size as you. My brannock measurement is 7D and I wear a 6.5E in the 5 last. My one shoe in the oscar last is a 6 UK and it fits very well, which is what size I suggest to you. Also, what do you think of those 6 UK rain chukkas beyond a sizing point of view. I've been eyeing that same pair in 6 UK on the Carmina site.

Thanks for the fit advice.

They are awesome. These get a ton of likes on instagram and the suede of carmina is much better than the suede on my meermins. I'm actually not used to danite though and I like the feel of leather but these are practical.

As far as color is concerned, I feel like dark brown suede is the most classic and most versatile compared to snuff. However, snuff is good looking and does change color in different lighting.

The rain last itself isn't as chiseled or aggressive as something like the GG TG73 or the CJ 348 so it works well in the Chukka form. Makes it a tad more dressier and modern than a round chukka. However, since it is lighter and stands out more, the makeup works well.

I'd probably go for this or a soller dark brown suede chukka. Both makeups would be different and worth wearing.

Some pictures to help your decision:
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post #805 of 806
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Wow, I didn't even notice they had a danite sole. That is my ideal makeup. The one on the Carmina site has the leather sole. I like the danite because it does seem more versatile for me in a chukka. 

 

I was interested in snuff suede because I don't have shoes in that shade, whereas a dark brown is a shade I have a few shoes in already. As for the last, I prefer rain over the soller simply because I think I'd have to size down to a 5.5 UK and that size isn't very common to find for the price point I am looking at. By the way, if you were ever thinking about selling  those shoes :fonz:.

 

Back to your sizing question, I meant to add I've heard the rain last is wider than the oscar last. You mentioned the toe box was very comfortable/spacey, so that's further reason to go with 6 UK.

post #806 of 806
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Originally Posted by thehaven22 View Post

Wow, I didn't even notice they had a danite sole. That is my ideal makeup. The one on the Carmina site has the leather sole. I like the danite because it does seem more versatile for me in a chukka. 

I was interested in snuff suede because I don't have shoes in that shade, whereas a dark brown is a shade I have a few shoes in already. As for the last, I prefer rain over the soller simply because I think I'd have to size down to a 5.5 UK and that size isn't very common to find for the price point I am looking at. By the way, if you were ever thinking about selling  those shoes fing02%5B1%5D.gif.

Back to your sizing question, I meant to add I've heard the rain last is wider than the oscar last. You mentioned the toe box was very comfortable/spacey, so that's further reason to go with 6 UK.

Lol, maybe. I might replace them with something else in the coming months so I'll let you know. Only worn them like 3 times so far.
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