Do any of you believe in God?

Contingency Plan · Oct 17, 2010

It is necessary for god to exist yo

JustinW · Oct 17, 2010

Originally Posted by gfreeman

Honest question, not trying to troll... but does that make any sense at all? Maybe this is exposing me as the empiricist that I may very well be, but isn't that the same as going "I believe in unicorns. I can't explain it and if you were to argue with me rationally I may well lose. It doesn't matter; I believe nonetheless."?

scarphe · Oct 17, 2010

Originally Posted by rob

Please explain why a rational, or warranted belief, has to be supported by evidence? We all have many beliefs for which there is no evidence. Rob
i am not claiming that their is not god. i just doubting that it is neither rational nor warranted. one could make an argument for the sensual experience as being basic possibly, but that is doubtable as well. frankly the the plantinga argument to me on this point is bs. it seems a simple of avoiding one in the first place. you coaim belief belief god is basic thus you need not give any proof..... what makes beliefs in gods rational or warranted?

Mickgriddle · Oct 17, 2010

Hi there,
I'm catholic too and went to church today for the first time in a few months. I was very busy for a majority of those past weeks with school and work on Sundays, but I can't say that was an excuse to not give an hour of my time each week. During and after mass, I lost that guilty feeling of having missed church, and having listened to an exceptional homily from our campus minister, I felt rejuvenated and accepting of God's plan for me. Life doesn't always make sense for a 20-year-old trying to find a way through relationships and immaturity, but having a community of fellow religious students to share the Word with and to know that they are in the same transitions of life is comforting. To answer your question, yes, I have faith in a God.
Regards,
Mick

milosz · Oct 17, 2010

I'm an atheist, but it's never so much been that I don't believe in God as I have no framework for believing in one (raised without any form of religious instruction, by the time the concept of god was introduced to me I was old enough to be as much of a rationalist as a bright 9-year old can be), and generally find the question irrelevant.

It may be unfair stereotyping on my part, but I'm often struck by the difference in atheists who are backsliding former believers and people who were simply raised without god.

Matt · Oct 17, 2010

Originally Posted by Mickgriddle

Hi there, I'm catholic too and went to church today for the first time in a few months. I was very busy for a majority of those past weeks with school and work on Sundays, but I can't say that was an excuse to not give an hour of my time each week. During and after mass, I lost that guilty feeling of having missed church, and having listened to an exceptional homily from our campus minister, I felt rejuvenated and accepting of God's plan for me. Life doesn't always make sense for a 20-year-old trying to find a way through relationships and immaturity, but having a community of fellow religious students to share the Word with and to know that they are in the same transitions of life is comforting. To answer your question, yes, I have faith in a God. Regards, Mick
it was just a matter of time....ok...here we go....mod hat on.

voxsartoria · Oct 17, 2010

I believe in, "Oh, God!"

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rob · Oct 17, 2010

Originally Posted by scarphe

i am not claiming that their is not god. i just doubting that it is neither rational nor warranted. one could make an argument for the sensual experience as being basic possibly, but that is doubtable as well. frankly the the plantinga argument to me on this point is bs. it seems a simple of avoiding one in the first place. you coaim belief belief god is basic thus you need not give any proof..... what makes beliefs in gods rational or warranted?
If it is a requirement for all basic beliefs to have evidence, then there is no such thing as a basic belief, only beliefs that we hold on the evidence of other beliefs. Yes? That doesn't seem to make any sense at all. But if that is what you believe, then what evidence do you have for your belief that god doesn't exist? And if that evidence is weak or refuted, then we must believe that god does in fact exist, right? That doesn't seem to make any sense either. Better to admit there are beliefs we hold not on the basis of any other beliefs. Rob

Mickgriddle · Oct 17, 2010

Originally Posted by gfreeman

Honest question, not trying to troll... but does that make any sense at all? Maybe this is exposing me as the empiricist that I may very well be, but isn't that the same as going "I believe in unicorns. I can't explain it and if you were to argue with me rationally I may well lose. It doesn't matter; I believe nonetheless."?

It's the same idea no matter what the subject is, but the aim is not to think in the terms of syntax, but rather in qualitative meaning. The fact that they follow with an honest "I can't explain it" offers a disclaimer or sorts. I don't believe faith can be rationalized all that well: it is what it is.
-Mick

Tck13 · Oct 17, 2010

Originally Posted by rob

what evidence do you have for your belief that god doesn't exist?

It's not up to those that don't believe to produce evidence that something doesn't exist.

It's up to those that believe to show evidence that what they believe in exists. If the evidence for belief is shown to be faulty or inconsistent or whatever, then there's no reason to believe.

Atheism exists because there are those that believe in God. If there was no religion atheists wouldn't exist.

Nosu3 · Oct 17, 2010

Originally Posted by rob

And please add what evidence is there for the proposition that god does not exist.

It is not possible to prove god doesn't exist.

scarphe · Oct 17, 2010

Originally Posted by rob

If it is a requirement for all basic beliefs to have evidence, then there is no such thing as a basic belief, only beliefs that we hold on the evidence of other beliefs. Yes? That doesn't seem to make any sense at all.

But if that is what you believe, then what evidence do you have for your belief that god doesn't exist? And if that evidence is weak or refuted, then we must believe that god does in fact exist, right? That doesn't seem to make any sense either. Better to admit there are beliefs we hold not on the basis of any other beliefs.

Rob

no a requirement for a basic belife if they exist...(i do not like the concept) is not evidence but instead a hard qualifier, what makes belief x rational and warranted. i am not saying you need evidnce but you need to qulaify why belife in gods is rational and warranted. something form the limited reading of palntinga i have seen is not properly investigated much liek the concept of natural evil.

again i repeating myself, my englsih is bad but nto that bad, i nevr said gods do nto exist i am simply doubting that a propasition of this sort is clearly evident, rational nor warranted.

rob · Oct 17, 2010

Originally Posted by Tck13

It's not up to those that don't believe to produce evidence that something doesn't exist. It's up to those that believe to show evidence that what they believe in exists. If the evidence for belief is shown to be faulty or inconsistent or whatever, then there's no reason to believe. Atheism exists because there are those that believe in God. If there was no religion atheists wouldn't exist.
And why is that? If I have the epistemic obligation to provide evidence for some proposition p, would not you have the same epistemic obligation to provide evidence for the proposition (not) p? For example, I have no evidence that you exist other than a written statements on a web-forum. Never met you, saw you, talked to you, shook your hand. Am I irrational in believing you exist? Your last statement makes no sense at all. Rob

rob · Oct 17, 2010

Originally Posted by scarphe

no a requirement for a basic belife if they exist...(i do not like the concept) is not evidence but instead a hard qualifier, what makes belief x rational and warranted. i am not saying you need evidnce but you need to qulaify why belife in gods is rational and warranted. something form the limited reading of palntinga i have seen is not properly investigated much liek the concept of natural evil.

again i repeating myself, my englsih is bad but nto that bad, i nevr said gods do nto exist i am simply doubting that a propasition of this sort is clearly evident, rational nor warranted.

I'm not talking about existence of god and not that all people have to believe that god exists, but merely that my belief in god is warranted. That is, it comes from a properly functioning noetic structure. Most people, in most societies for almost all of history, have had a sense of god. I think it's quite natural. The opposite seems to be the exception.

Rob

rennavate · Oct 17, 2010

How exactly is your belief in god "warranted"? Because most people throughout history have believed in a god? They also believed the earth was flat until a few hundred years ago. A lot of people also thought white people were superior to black people. In fact, many still do. That's not a warranted belief.

Noetic theory is also pretty ridiculous.

Do any of you believe in God?

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