NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

[HRoi]

...and srsly?! Kevin Love wasn't dominant this year?!?!

 

[thinman]

Originally Posted by HRoi

How about some dude who averages 21/11/2? A measly point and a rebound more than Bosh....




Those are Tim Duncan's career averages

Nope. RFX already told us that a HOFer with multiple championships isn't dominant.

On another topic, why oh WHY are the Spurs reportedly shopping Tony Parker to Minnesota for the 7th pick in the draft? I would never, EVER trade a player the caliber of Parker for anything less than a sure thing. The draft, even a lottery pick, is a crap shoot at best. And this year's draft is not what I'd call strong. Is this a move by the Spurs to dump Parker's salary?

 

[RFX45]

Originally Posted by HRoi

How about some dude who averages 21/11/2? A measly point and a rebound more than Bosh.... Those are Tim Duncan's career averages

Originally Posted by thinman

Nope. RFX already told us that a HOFer with multiple championships isn't dominant.

Do people read?

Originally Posted by RFX45

I don't mean physically imposing but centers that can score at will and a franchise is built around who can score and defend and still be the number option. There has been more than 3 dominant big men in the history of the league, Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, Dwight, Duncan, Ewing and Olajuwon just to name a few.

Originally Posted by RFX45

The Spurs team before that had a pretty dominant Duncan still but Parker in that series wasn't a faciliator, he was more of a scorer. Parker hasn't always been the best passing PG and definitely not the most efficient.
I've stated numerous times that Duncan was a dominant big man. You really can't compare the two, when I showed the stats, it was to point out that stats isn't everything. Duncan with almost the same stats is considered dominant while Bosh isn't. Simple as that, Duncan played defense and just made everyone around him better. Bosh, not so much. You have to take everything else into account, including wins. I wouldn't even put rings into account but you have to make the team much better.

Originally Posted by HRoi

...and srsly?! Kevin Love wasn't dominant this year?!?!

And no he asn't, Love was a beast but dude wasn't dominant outside of rebounding. Minnesota had the worst record this season and only improved by 2 wins from last year. Dude can play w/o a doubt but he never looked strong out there where you know he would win the game for you. He wasn't even the #1 option when Beasleys on the court. Again, stats aren't everything but fantasy league-wise, I'd take him in the first or second round easily.

 

[LawrenceMD]

Originally Posted by thinman

Nope. RFX already told us that a HOFer with multiple championships isn't dominant.

On another topic, why oh WHY are the Spurs reportedly shopping Tony Parker to Minnesota for the 7th pick in the draft? I would never, EVER trade a player the caliber of Parker for anything less than a sure thing. The draft, even a lottery pick, is a crap shoot at best. And this year's draft is not what I'd call strong. Is this a move by the Spurs to dump Parker's salary?
parker is the only real tradable asset. who's going to take a chance on ginobili's glass ankles? parker has a 4 year/ 50 million dollar extension that starts next season. in 2012-2013 years they'll have the most cap room of any team in the nba if they make this trade... so if D. howard isn't traded by then..... the really telling thing that parker will most likely be traded? hoopshype doesn't even have his extension on the official team salary listings: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

 

[thinman]

Originally Posted by RFX45

Do people read?





I've stated numerous times that Duncan was a dominant big man. You really can't compare the two, when I showed the stats, it was to point out that stats isn't everything. Duncan with almost the same stats is considered dominant while Bosh isn't. Simple as that, Duncan played defense and just made everyone around him better. Bosh, not so much. You have to take everything else into account, including wins. I wouldn't even put rings into account but you have to make the team much better.




And no he asn't, Love was a beast but dude wasn't dominant outside of rebounding. Minnesota had the worst record this season and only improved by 2 wins from last year. Dude can play w/o a doubt but he never looked strong out there where you know he would win the game for you. He wasn't even the #1 option when Beasleys on the court. Again, stats aren't everything but fantasy league-wise, I'd take him in the first or second round easily.

OK, now I'm just pullin' your chain.

Originally Posted by LawrenceMD

parker is the only real tradable asset. who's going to take a chance on ginobili's glass ankles?

parker has a 4 year/ 50 million dollar extension that starts next season. in 2012-2013 years they'll have the most cap room of any team in the nba if they make this trade... so if D. howard isn't traded by then.....

the really telling thing that parker will most likely be traded? hoopshype doesn't even have his extension on the official team salary listings: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

God, I hate the salary cap. I long for the days when teams traded players, instead of trading their salaries...

 

[RFX45]

I think salary cap is a good thing, prevents teams from buying players. Imagine if the NBA were like the MLB, Knicks might actually make the playoffs and win a championship.

 

[HRoi]

Originally Posted by RFX45

Do people read? I've stated numerous times that Duncan was a dominant big man. You really can't compare the two, when I showed the stats, it was to point out that stats isn't everything. Duncan with almost the same stats is considered dominant while Bosh isn't. Simple as that, Duncan played defense and just made everyone around him better. Bosh, not so much. You have to take everything else into account, including wins. I wouldn't even put rings into account but you have to make the team much better. And no he asn't, Love was a beast but dude wasn't dominant outside of rebounding. Minnesota had the worst record this season and only improved by 2 wins from last year. Dude can play w/o a doubt but he never looked strong out there where you know he would win the game for you. He wasn't even the #1 option when Beasleys on the court. Again, stats aren't everything but fantasy league-wise, I'd take him in the first or second round easily.
And I threw Duncan in there to show that your definition is so subjective that it really only makes 100% sense in the court of your own opinion. Which is fine but don't expect everyone to agree. The original point was Gasol, who won two rings as the first big man option on the Lakers. I'm still looking for a better rebuttal of his dominance than "because I said so".

 

[overdog]

Duncan is dominant because teams change their gameplan around him. When he is playing defense, the other team will hesitate before driving the ball in on him because of his shot blocking prowess. When he is on offense, teams not only have to run double teams at him, they have to run guys at him from across the court because of his passing ability. Centers like Shaq and Hakeem are the same way. If they weren't double teamed on every play, they would average much more than they did. Guys like Gasol, Bosh, and Love probably see double teams from time to time, but not 100% of every play.

 

[RFX45]

Originally Posted by HRoi

And I threw Duncan in there to show that your definition is so subjective that it really only makes 100% sense in the court of your own opinion. Which is fine but don't expect everyone to agree.

The original point was Gasol, who won two rings as the first big man option on the Lakers. I'm still looking for a better rebuttal of his dominance than "because I said so".

I don't expect everyone to agree and I have showed support to all my arguments but in the end, you have to see the guy play and Bynum looks way more dominant that Pau when healthy.

Pau wasn't that dominant on defense, his softness is pretty much why the Lakers lost their first meeting against Boston. His defense in the paint are inconsistent and was backed up by Bynum or Odom. You can see his weakness when he is "depressed", dude couldn't keep up with Dirk.

He was a second offensive option in the team and he is a skilled big man but he didn't impose his will in the paint, he didn't score at will. He works hard and has many moves but he just didn't take over games as he should be. He didn't push, he got pushed. He can also be pretty weak mentally as you can see in the Dallas sweep. There is a reason why Perkins calls him a *****.

Longley won multiple rings as the first big man option in the Bulls team so it doesn't matter if Pau is the #1 big man option in the Lakers. The Lakers certainly couldn't win w/o Pau but he isn't the monster you are making him out to be. He's good and probably top 10 in his position but I just don't/haven't seen him being that dominant.

I think that is more than enough evidence compared to stats and rings.

 

[LawrenceMD]

shawn kemp...

I love how old school this is... players were still allowed to taunt... and yet kemp still showed respect by offering a bro-hand-shake.... and the dunked on defender offered his respect by reciprocating the bro-hand-shake.

 

[RFX45]

I always find that funny, dude was so embarrassed that he didn't know what to do but give his posterizer some props. You guys should check out Kemps highlight reels on youtube, dude could get up there with the most of them. He just straight up embarrasses people.

 

[jpeirpont]

Originally Posted by HRoi

Man, you guys are a tough crowd. A 19/10/2 guy with fantastic efficiency and great passing from the pivot isn't dominant? Well sure, not compared to Shaq or Wilt in their prime I guess, but c'mon....

Also, when Pau stopped playing his usual game they got swept
Dominant, to me, means you can lead your team to Championship. I'm not sure he could do that no matter the supporting cast.

 

[Rambo]

Wolves are going to fire Rambis. How much of a say do you think Rubio had in that?

 

[embowafa]

Originally Posted by LawrenceMD

shawn kemp... I love how old school this is... players were still allowed to taunt... and yet kemp still showed respect by offering a bro-hand-shake.... and the dunked on defender offered his respect by reciprocating the bro-hand-shake.
I'm more blown away by the old school arenas...no luxury suites...no wrap around LED screens...no 1,000's of advertisements...just some grand stands and people.

Originally Posted by RFX45

He just straight up impregnates people.
ftfy

 

[fir3fox]

Have you guys been watching the replays of the old school NBA drafts on NBATV?

The **** guys used to wear... omg.