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post #136 of 144
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Originally Posted by Flambeur View Post
Well yeah, but obviously value can be elusive for residential properties. But equity is equity.

But I was talking more about the concept of leverage negating the concept of an asset. Just because an asset is financed or not producing a positive cash flow doesn't mean that it's not an asset.

Agreed, maybe my original idea was hasty.

Servicing debt is better applied to consumer debt.

A house is often sold as an investment, too often. Its just a mentality that everyone got caught up into believing as the market was booming. Equity only exists in a home if the market supports the price, its hard to test that unless you're selling your home. There are many variables that can effect the price beyond the market.

Ok, so you leverage yourself to buy this 'asset' and that does what for you? You live in it while you pay down the mortgage. If you find yourself in financial distress you cant sell it quickly, and if you do sell it you need to take on another liability or live on the street.

Its a great thing to own a home, but dont think you're buying an investment.

The term investment when applied to residential real estate should mean that it provides you with cashflow, sorry if that sounds like something you'd hear in rich dad poor dad.

Pio is one to talk, he spouts the same bullshit that you read in that book. Pio, I dont know who you're trying to convince about your investing and financial prowess, us or yourself.
post #137 of 144
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
Show up in court in your work out clothes. There's a crazy mistake I'd like to see you make.

I don't make mistakes in court.
post #138 of 144
Pio, why do you feel the need to tell us about how much you have in savings, and how big of a house your buying, ect ect. Is anyone convinced that this guy is a big deal?
post #139 of 144
You only live one life. Why WOULDN'T you live beyond your means?
post #140 of 144
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Originally Posted by SkinnyGoomba View Post
Agreed, maybe my original idea was hasty. Servicing debt is better applied to consumer debt. A house is often sold as an investment, too often. Its just a mentality that everyone got caught up into believing as the market was booming. Equity only exists in a home if the market supports the price, its hard to test that unless you're selling your home. There are many variables that can effect the price beyond the market. Ok, so you leverage yourself to buy this 'asset' and that does what for you? You live in it while you pay down the mortgage. If you find yourself in financial distress you cant sell it quickly, and if you do sell it you need to take on another liability or live on the street. Its a great thing to own a home, but dont think you're buying an investment. The term investment when applied to residential real estate should mean that it provides you with cashflow, sorry if that sounds like something you'd hear in rich dad poor dad. Pio is one to talk, he spouts the same bullshit that you read in that book. Pio, I dont know who you're trying to convince about your investing and financial prowess, us or yourself.
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Originally Posted by SkinnyGoomba View Post
Pio, why do you feel the need to tell us about how much you have in savings, and how big of a house your buying, ect ect. Is anyone convinced that this guy is a big deal?
It seems, once again, I have cut Skinny to the quick. However, it has apparently not damaged your ability to state the obvious. And, as I've said many times, I'm not a big deal. No idea why anyone else would be convinced of that.
post #141 of 144
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
No idea why anyone else would be convinced of that.

I'm certainly not convinced.

Excuse me for stating the obvious.
post #142 of 144
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post
^it's having the wrong idea of comfort or what you deserve or what is owed to you.
This. My ex had the most bizarre sense of entitlement, which led her to have 50+K in student loans and tens of thousands of dollars in credit card debt. Damn I am glad to be through with her. I do like her as a person, but the debt alone is good enough reason for me to never want to get back together with her. As for me, I do live beyond my means just a little right now, but that's because all of my money is tied up in a house that I am going to sell next year. I'm beginning to wonder if owning a house is actually worth the cost. Sure, one builds equity, but at what cost? Taxes, insurance, maintenance and renovation costs, personal time... I am asking this after spending the past seven years of my life renovating a large home with my own two hands.
post #143 of 144
Doesn't most of the western world function on the basis of people living beyond their means.: running credit card debts from one period to the next?
post #144 of 144
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Originally Posted by Britalian View Post
Doesn't most of the western world function on the basis of people living beyond their means.: running credit card debts from one period to the next?

I'm no economist, not even close. But yes, basically.

Keynes was not a fan of excessive savings, nor 'loanable funds'.
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