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post #13606 of 18397
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Originally Posted by elwood View Post


Training shoes/ trainers (hope this isn't now off topic): I think I can claim to have had some of the earliest around but it had nothing to do with fashion or style. In the 1960s my Dad worked for a footwear manufacturing company. As far as I can tell they worked on a contract basis for footwear sellers, high street stores etc. - mainly kids' sandals and slippers.

They were approached by a bloke from Bolton (I think) called Joe Foster to manufacture a new shoe and produced a short run for him. My Dad got a pair each for me and my brother. They were white leather, quite thin and stiff with a thin composite ridged sole. No padding round the ankle. White laces. Two (I think - but it's hard to be sure after so long) blue stripes on the side. And the name of Mr. Foster's new venture in small gold lettering blocked on the outside of each shoe: REEBOK.

I think we were told they were "training shoes" and can't remember an alternative. Don't think they got called running shoes; certainly not tennis shoes. The term "trainers" came much later. Back then trainers, to football fans, were the guys on the bench who ran onto the pitch with a bucket of water and the "magic sponge" when a player was injured.

I think this must have been around 1967 or 1968, when I was 10 or 11. Me and my brother just wore them for playing out in, football, roaming round the streets, on holiday etc. By late 1969 when I started going on the terraces at Maine Road I'd have grown out of them.

During the summers of 1970 and 1971 I wore Dunlop Green Flash with my Wranglers, and while this wasn't the most stylish footwear at the time compared to Royals etc. it wasn't uncommon either. Never saw them on the terraces though.

Training shoes didn't seem to take off then and I didn't really notice Reebok until many years later, by which time I think it had changed hands. Often wished I'd kept my early pair as they'd have been a museum piece.

Cool story about Reebok.Yes they did change hands they are owned by the Cohen Bros.Chestnut Hill,Brookline.Did some work at their house with my dad.Nice people.

post #13607 of 18397
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Originally Posted by elwood View Post

I see Mick Jagger has hinted Rolling Stones might rerun same set list as 1969 Hyde Park concert when they return to the park tomorrow.

No chance of Originals showing up to recreate other elements of 1969 event? ;-)

I missed that news item. I'd have turned up just to see whether the Stones were as out-of-tune as they were in '69.
Edited by Man-of-Mystery - 7/15/13 at 8:22am
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flyfronted  says in 62 Mods didn't wear Trainers.That sounds right to me as the Mods then I don't think would have been that casual.I always thought the Mods were wearing Italian Bowling shoes (thats what I've heard them called in the US) at the end of Mod.Great pic of the Ivy shop.   browniecj.Great story about your Mom and as always great stuff about the transition.I think thats one of the best things about this thread,there are a couple of cats who went thru the transition.It's also interesting to hear where you went after it was over.The Army appears to be one of the choices ex skinheads made.

post #13609 of 18397
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post

I know there's no real rules here but in my opinion, to understand the skinhead style, its of great relevance and interest as to where it came from and where it ended up. Its mod roots are key as things changed in the late 60s, but its just as relevant if you see a pic of a mod in boots and braces in '64. But by the same token, as the style evolved out the other side, whilst some lads in London were deliberately trying to leave the look behind by late '69, the style continued for many years after in other parts of the country. The emerging fashions influenced that, which is why you'll see versions on skinheads in '73-74 even, with what's obviously the same fundimental look and approach but with a few much later fashions creeping in.
For me, its all good related stuff and I'd rather keep it in one place as much as possible as I struggle keeping up with one forum, let alone logging onto 5 each day!

And whilst there's been some good points made about sports shoes, I'm sure the term "trainers" was never really used in England til about '78-79. Could be wrong though.
And while we're on the subject, I'm surprised basies never go a mention - baseball boots (like the black ones with rubber ankle circle that Basset mentioned), Double Bass? Converse? (although there were plenty of makes and for many, I don't think branding was that important). Have heard about them being worn by northern skinheads at the time, in various contexts.

I'm with Buttons & Aces and Eights on this.

Partly because it's easier to stick with this thread rather than tracking a few. But also because I think it is difficult to define and categorise or sub-categorise these things. For example, it's not easy to tie down the Original period: who can definitively say when it started or ended? There's probably some sort of consensus on here that it's 69-71 but regional variations complicate the picture.

Not wanting to get pretentious but we're exploring social & cultural history here and some of the tangents we've gone off on from time to time have all added context, which I've personally found fascinating. I look on it as a "life & times" approach that gives a fuller picture of where it came from and where it went.

So I'd say stick with the looser approach to "on topic". It's easy to skim over what doesn't particularly interest you and the overall attitude of everyone on here to style seems to keep the thread generally on track.
post #13610 of 18397
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Originally Posted by Sirryacus View Post

Awesome Story elwood and it does check out as Joe Foster was the found of Reebok with his brother, I assume they came to the company your dad worked for because they couldn't fulfill all the orders they were getting at the time I assume because the family factory didn't have the equipment and man power for such large orders and obviously the reason you didn't hear about them until years later is because they didn't really take off in a major way until well into the early 80's but I'm sure you knew all of this but its still fund to recount.
Sirryacus, you're probably right about why the order was placed. I'll see if my Dad remembers any more background.
post #13611 of 18397
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

What has not been touched on(with us older exSkinheads)is the Polo neck Jumper.Whilst the younger ones were wearing patch-work Jumpers etc.,the older ones wore these in many colours and patterns.They were smart enough(if thin)to wear with Jackets,Trousers and Suits.The thicker ones could be worn with Jeans or Trousers.I had about 5 thin ones(various colours) and 2 thicker ones.If you look at Pictures of that time, one if not more would be wearing a Polo neck Jumper.

browniecj, now you mention it I remember polo necks being fairly common but was this that they were worn more across the board then and were just something worn by skinheads as well? (I don't have an answer to that.)

I can remember regularly wearing a thin polo neck under an open-neck shirt around 1967/ 1968 - but that was just me trying to copy "cooler" older kids I'd seen. I think that look went back a bit earlier than that. Seem to remember The Beatles wearing polo neck & shirt combination?
post #13612 of 18397
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Originally Posted by BillyWhizz View Post

Can anyone remember, particularly the Bristol guys, that in the early to mid 70s (I think) there was a fashion to wear zip up jumpers/cardigans with two stripes of a contrasting colour around the bicep. They seemed, in hindsight, to follow the football teams colours - Red/Black, Claret/Blue, etc. I used to go to the ice skating rink next to the Top Rank in the city centre and all the 'Lads' were wearing these Jerseys. I would love to see a picture if anyone has one.

BillyWhizz, I remember those too around 72/ 73. I always thought they were derived from U.S. college jackets. I had a claret & blue one: covered a multitude of teams, at a slight stretch my own City who still had maroon sock tops. I never saw them in sky blue & white (and don't remember red & white either) and the claret & blue was very common on the Kippax then. Sorry can't help with photos.
post #13613 of 18397
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Originally Posted by elwood View Post


BillyWhizz, I remember those too around 72/ 73. I always thought they were derived from U.S. college jackets. I had a claret & blue one: covered a multitude of teams, at a slight stretch my own City who still had maroon sock tops. I never saw them in sky blue & white (and don't remember red & white either) and the claret & blue was very common on the Kippax then. Sorry can't help with photos.

Known as 'Football Jumpers'. Some Spurs fans were wearing them in that post-skinhead clip someone posted recently.

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I always thought the idea was copied from the old Letterman knitwear from the American Ivy League colleges like these
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where the number of stripes related to your year at college.
I've seen a few like this from an English early 70s point of view - usually very cheaply made. Got a couple of vee necks with a big 'Y' on and sleeve stripes and I think stripes on the waist band (much more early 70s than Yank Ivy). Also got a zip up cardy in red and white with a Sunderland badge on the top pocket. Very cheap, all of them kids sizes. Can't remember ever wearing it. I used it to pin me metal footy badges to. I'd take a pic but I'm not home til the weekend.
Anyone remember the old American Ivy ones being worn before the 70s footy jumper versions came along?
post #13615 of 18397
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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post
There was a brief showing of all White baseball (All Star?) canvas boots around this period also,worn with the baggier trousers by the early Northern Soul lads.

 

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Originally Posted by buttons View Post
And whilst there's been some good points made about sports shoes, I'm sure the term "trainers" was never really used in England til about '78-79. Could be wrong though.
And while we're on the subject, I'm surprised basies never go a mention - baseball boots (like the black ones with rubber ankle circle that Basset mentioned), Double Bass? Converse? (although there were plenty of makes and for many, I don't think branding was that important). Have heard about them being worn by northern skinheads at the time, in various contexts.

That's what I was mentioning in an earlier post Buttons,but they were worn predominantly in white and it was post skinhead for us..Ruckanor was a brand that springs to mind.This would have been 72-73.

 

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Trainers are within the remits of this thread because Mods wore them,stacked heel shoes and associated clothes were after suedehead so are outside the thread maybe there should be another thread for that kind of stuff ?.

 

I personally believe the thread is and should be Mod to Suedehead for clarity.Though we never used the term Smooth or Suedehead it is recognised and defines a move in direction and change.I was feel that the immediate periods before Mod and post smooth are important as they again are definative points and often show dramatic change.I was probably wrong to mention Kickers  as this was much,much later and had to draw myself back in here as I was getting too far away IMO.The Faces in particular and probably Bolan played a big part in the end of "Our" era.They were wearing clothes than although were initially questionable,could be accepted mainstream (more so than Bowie/Eno).The fact that these early provided Glam/Terrace/Rock n Roll and had millions of teenage girls wetting their nickers,didn't hurt either.If the girls likes that look ,then we better get on that bandwagon,buy a satin jacket and maybe get a shag tomorrow night.

As for the detour into wrestling attire and the like........baldy[1].gif

 

I'll just say two words on that subject        Les ( Buttons Stance ) Kellet

 

 

 

post #13616 of 18397
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

What has not been touched on(with us older exSkinheads)is the Polo neck Jumper.Whilst the younger ones were wearing patch-work Jumpers etc.,the older ones wore these in many colours and patterns.They were smart enough(if thin)to wear with Jackets,Trousers and Suits.The thicker ones could be worn with Jeans or Trousers.I had about 5 thin ones(various colours) and 2 thicker ones.If you look at Pictures of that time, one if not more would be wearing a Polo neck Jumper.
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post #13617 of 18397
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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post

I've always liked the western style shirts and have collected quite a number of them over the years,though I never recall them being that popular except in the denim variety and worn by everyone from Hells Angels to Hippies.

The first denim shirt I ever owned was in about 1965. It was by 'Mille Chemises', I believe, a French shirtmaker; it had a slight Western look to it, and I had it because my mum 'approved' of French styles. If I ever get my old photos out of the loft again, I'll see if I can find a shot of it (except at the time I had a naff haircut and a face full of pimples!).

Clouseau, do you know anything about that brand of shirt? I think I have the brand name correct.
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Satin jackets,i remember a hot saturday 73 or 74 we had been told about a shop the other side of Bristol that sold them,we went there and found this shop Boney Maroney,i opted for a safe bet and bought a black one but one other lad bought a baby blue one ,he got so much stick that he tried to dye it and ruined it.I thought 70s fashions after suedehead were either dire or bland and theres not anything that i remember from then that i would wear now,it did teach me though because as i got older i ignored fashions that i didnt like and wore what i wanted to. I have been interested in what the blokes on here have said about what they wear now,there are a lot of similar ideas,when i asked about hot weather wear several said about boat shoes,i saw a bloke wearing some on saturday and they do look ok with shorts and a polo ( or maybe a linen shirt ) i have looked online and there are a lot of variations i found some brown leather ones with 3 eyeholes and a sole with a boot type tread so i ordered a pair.
post #13619 of 18397
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

There were some who had the "Mohican"about in `69/`70.I know because one of our rival Mobs used to have a few with that haircut.It did not last too long though.

It wasn't a new idea even then. Here's a pic of two US Marines in 1944.



Someone else much remembered from the 1960s was wrestler Billy Two Rivers, who might have influenced your rival mob.

post #13620 of 18397
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post

This Mohican haircut was wear by the American paratrooters who jumped over France in 1944 to show their "Esprit de corps"

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