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post #10261 of 18819
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Originally Posted by Bob the Badger View Post


Would that have been at 'The Global Village' near Charing Cross? I saw something similar but I think it might have been a bit later than 1970. The guy was lying flat out with his girlfriend beside him and I don't think he had any mates with him. They turned the music off and we all had to leave the club. We heard he was already dead but not sure if it was true. Don't know if they caught who did it.There always seemed to be trouble at that place because East London/Essex would travel in on the District Line and South/ South-East London/Kent travelled up on BR Trains. Danny Baker the DJ from South London has talked about going there. Luckily the Bouncers were twice the size of most of us and they kept trouble to a minimum, but it was a place where you had to watch your back.

The Club I was at,was "Reflections" in the Piccadilly.A gang of Blacks from South of the River( they called themselves the "Kingston Trilbies)started trouble.The Fella was on the Dancefloor,when one of the Blacks took a shine to his Girlfriend.Next minute,his Face etc. was carved open ,we heard from the old Bill(later),he died in Hospital.Needless to say the Gang had long gone by then.
post #10262 of 18819
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

A very big deal in Scotland.

The question would be: 'Can your mother sew... get her tae stitch this - SLASH!!!!

I carried one - several, as occasionally you had to ditch - more for bravado than anything else and it did give you the feeling of security if you were on enemy turf.

in '69, mine came from the school science labs, where they were dished out during biology lessons. Later on, when the school twigged, there were always inquests as to why 20 were dished out at the start of a lesson and only 14-15 would be collected at the end of it. happy.gif

It became difficult to buy new ones as the word had gone out to barbers, etc - steel combs - without handles (they were for the birds) - then became the essential 'tool'.

Reading some of you guys' posts, I've reached the conclusion I really was - and still am - a bit of a wimp.

Sorry. shog[1].gif

I worked in a dead end job for a while, in a hairdressers suppliers warehouse, with a good supply of new cut throat razors, say now more,biggrin.gif
post #10263 of 18819
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Originally Posted by Bob the Badger View Post


Would that have been at 'The Global Village' near Charing Cross? I saw something similar but I think it might have been a bit later than 1970. The guy was lying flat out with his girlfriend beside him and I don't think he had any mates with him. They turned the music off and we all had to leave the club. We heard he was already dead but not sure if it was true. Don't know if they caught who did it.There always seemed to be trouble at that place because East London/Essex would travel in on the District Line and South/ South-East London/Kent travelled up on BR Trains. Danny Baker the DJ from South London has talked about going there. Luckily the Bouncers were twice the size of most of us and they kept trouble to a minimum, but it was a place where you had to watch your back.

We used to use the Global Village under Charing Cross Station during the mid 70s - good times. - and it was handy for the train back to North Kent

 

Back in the day 'cut throat razors' were not particularly used by our lot (more Teddy Boys thing)  but as I have said before on here that lock knives and switch blades were commonly carried and occasionally used by our gang.  I have vivid memories of involvement of knife fights and the repercussions including 2 scars.

 

Its funny really looking back that as a 10 year old Cub Scout I had a sheath knife that I wore to cub meetings in its sheath with I suppose a 4" blade plus hilt bought for me by my Dad and no one blinked an eye when I would have walked down the road to parade.  I also always had a pen knives of all sorts.  Yet now I don't suppose we would be allowed to have a Swiss Army Knife in the glove box of your car.  Knives are like guns - there are harmless unless the possessor is a fool.

post #10264 of 18819
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Originally Posted by yankmod View Post

Bunty,you are consistant in your contributions and I thank you.      flyfronted,I agree 100%.In the hipper parts of the U.S. you see the same fashion/style trends.In the U.S.it comes from the Hipsters who for the last 30 years have worn some aspects of Mod/Skin 2 tone and casual (like me) It just took the U.S.that long to catch on.       Bob the Badger,we welcome your contributions,they have been excellent              .ivyskin89 watched the trailer for the J.Timberlake film and I agree with you.I think it's cause thats the hip style of the moment.I'm a little frightened what the next trend will be.Big Up

 

 

the staples of Mod / Skinhead ARE classic American 60s Ivy League ..its your history not ours . 

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Lots of posts these last days as Buttons says! I arrive a bit late but I will comment anyway, hope you don't mind shog[1].gif

 

Regarding the 'This is Reggae' LP cover with Dobby Dobson, West Indians and skinheads, as it was released in 1969 (don't know the exact month), I guess the pic must be from late 68 as Loempiavreter says or early 69. The boy with the cravat doesn't look good to me, I have never seen another skinhead wearing a cravat and to be honest, I don't like it lol.

 

About the terms 'Skinhead' and 'Suedehead', I have two extracts from the 'Yell' section of the IT magazine in which they say they didn't like those names, one is from 21-Nov-1969 (skinhead) and the other one is from 27-Feb-1970 (suedehead, funny one).

 

21-Nov-1969

 

 

 

 

27-Feb-1970

 

 

 

 

Anyway, I guess that even though skinheads in their earlier days didn't call themselves like that, they adopted the name later as you can see in many videos where they say for example "I'd rather be a skinhead than anything else", etc, etc as in this video:

 

 

 

And finally, about the transition from Mod to Skinhead or Mod to Suedehead, I thought this could be interesting. Some days ago I wrote a post about Jan, she was an original mod then skinhead (she wrote a few days ago in this thread because she found some of her pictures here), you can read the post here http://theballroomblitz.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/from-mod-to-skinhead-jan-speaks/. It was very interesting talking with her, she was 18-19 when the skinhead thing happened and remembers everything pretty well. She wasn't into Reggae that much but really into Soul and she was also very smart and very 'feminine', the way it should be. Jan gave me some feedback and advice regarding clothes as well which I appreciate a lot smile.gif

post #10266 of 18819
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Originally Posted by HughJ View Post


I think this is less due to their "thing" being co-opted, and more due to society's continuous lowering of standards of dress in general.

 

 

No many labels of Casual have become iconic .. Lacoste , Burberry , Ralph Lauren , Armani etc . The young lads who sport that look seem far better switched on than the rest and IMO nearer the ethos of late 60s skins .

post #10267 of 18819
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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post

 

 

the staples of Mod / Skinhead ARE classic American 60s Ivy League ..its your history not ours . 

Indeed flyfronted.As I said before in the late 70's early 80's the style amongst my peers was Chinos,Baracuta's,Levi's Chords,Brooks Brothers BD pinstripes and solids and Lacoste polos(worn under the BD sometimes) With a few modifications and additions I could copy the 2 tone style which in the U.S. was underground style and music.2 tone was only one thread that contributed to Indie Rock Hipster style.That style has entered the mainstream fashion in the last few years.I saw a young chicano kid yesterday with Levis,Trainers and a striped Cardi.He looked very smart but  no doubt has no idea where it came from.

post #10268 of 18819
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Originally Posted by gabriela View Post

Lots of posts these last days as Buttons says! I arrive a bit late but I will comment anyway, hope you don't mind shog[1].gif


Regarding the 'This is Reggae' LP cover with Dobby Dobson, West Indians and skinheads, as it was released in 1969 (don't know the exact month), I guess the pic must be from late 68 as Loempiavreter says or early 69. The boy with the cravat doesn't look good to me, I have never seen another skinhead wearing a cravat and to be honest, I don't like it lol.

About the terms 'Skinhead' and 'Suedehead', I have two extracts from the 'Yell' section of the IT magazine in which they say they didn't like those names, one is from 21-Nov-1969 (skinhead) and the other one is from 27-Feb-1970 (suedehead, funny one).

21-Nov-1969






27-Feb-1970






Anyway, I guess that even though skinheads in their earlier days didn't call themselves like that, they adopted the name later as you can see in many videos where they say for example "I'd rather be a skinhead than anything else", etc, etc as in this video:

 


And finally, about the transition from Mod to Skinhead or Mod to Suedehead, I thought this could be interesting. Some days ago I wrote a post about Jan, she was an original mod then skinhead (she wrote a few days ago in this thread because she found some of her pictures here), you can read the post here http://theballroomblitz.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/from-mod-to-skinhead-jan-speaks/. It was very interesting talking with her, she was 18-19 when the skinhead thing happened and remembers everything pretty well. She wasn't into Reggae that much but really into Soul and she was also very smart and very 'feminine', the way it should be. Jan gave me some feedback and advice regarding clothes as well which I appreciate a lot smile.gif

Gabriela,

The clip has been posted on here before off UTube..The Lad talking in the White Ben Sherman, is Dave Nickleson, the other lad talking is Tom Callagan the other lad is Toms Brother, and the lad sitting in the Harrington saying nothing is Phil Mann, all young Kilburn Aggro Mob,
If you go back in the thread I explain about that clip of a 40 mins Documentary about The Kilburn Mob, The girl in the front with Tony is Noreen i was drinking with her just before Christmas.
also the Brum girl at the end of the clip must of come from somewhere else she was nothing to do with the original documentary.
post #10269 of 18819
Following on from the Kilburn Documentary and the previous post regarding knives cut throats etc, Looking at the clip with Dave talking ..this was filmed in the Phoenix Youth club canteen,during the week before the Disco/Band night,
Just before Dave started talking they interviewed a older Skinhead Charlie V.. R.I.P he would have been maybe 18 at the time, He had a massive scar down his face caused by a broken bottle, he gave the story how it happened, he knew the bloke who did it and had been hunting him down for a year, Charlie never caught him, a few years later in a unconnected incident, Charlie was stabbed to death.

Broken bottles caused more awful injuries than any other weapon, mostly due to the availability of Bottles and Glasses when Lads getting drunk, One minute everyone is having a good time, then the sound of breaking glass, girls screaming, and the lights coming on, Mad.
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Is this guy for real? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Exclusive-VIntage-UNBELIEVABLE-Hawkins-Dr-Martens-Astronauts-Derby-Boot-RED-/261152491417?pt=UK_Men_s_Shoes&hash=item3ccde6c799

post #10271 of 18819
Mate I'm so pleased there's someone else out there living the dream. I wanted to be a skinhead when I was about 6 in 1980 and decided last year to do it. I spent ages researching the look rather than rely just on memory and I've never felt happier! I just wish there were more blokes like you around. We need to keep the scene alive! Get yourself over to England for the Brighton Skinhead Reunion in May!!!

[quote name="gaul" url="/t/89027/mod-to-
suedehead/6090#post_5264426"]Hello everybody! It took me forever to finish reading the whole thing...I'm 21 from Italy..and I'm trying to become a proper skinhead starting from the clothes...I really dig the traditional style! First of all I just want to say thank you to all the "first generation skinheads" in here...this has been a really interesting reading to me, I pretty much understood what to wear and what not to wear...second I would like to ask you some questions: considering that some of you are from the London area, and I'm going to be there in a few days with some friends of mine, could you please tell me some shops wich I really can't miss? I've heard that the Oi Oi Shop in Camden is a nice place to find some good stuff...I'm interested in buying a good pair of sta-press and a few shirt (Ben Sherman stores are ok, but are there any Brutus store?)...can you help me? Oh and are there any skinhead nites in town by the end of the month? Thanks in advance! 
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post #10272 of 18819
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Originally Posted by Vin the Skin View Post

Mate I'm so pleased there's someone else out there living the dream. I wanted to be a skinhead when I was about 6 in 1980 and decided last year to do it. I spent ages researching the look rather than rely just on memory and I've never felt happier! I just wish there were more blokes like you around. We need to keep the scene alive! Get yourself over to England for the Brighton Skinhead Reunion in May!!!


Holy shit, it took you 32 years to decide that you wanted to be part of what is essentially a "youth cult"... That mindset always amazes me. shog[1].gif
post #10273 of 18819
Well that's your point of view. The scene as it was was long gone when I'd grown up and I did what everyone else was doing at the time. Bored with so-called fashion now and decided to go back to a style I think was really great after getting into Oi! bands. You can criticise me if you like but I am happy doing what I'm doing. I've had nothing but support from the ex-Skinheads I've met.
post #10274 of 18819
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Originally Posted by Vin the Skin View Post

Well that's your point of view. The scene as it was was long gone when I'd grown up and I did what everyone else was doing at the time. Bored with so-called fashion now and decided to go back to a style I think was really great after getting into Oi! bands. You can criticise me if you like but I am happy doing what I'm doing. I've had nothing but support from the ex-Skinheads I've met.

We welcome you here Vin the Skin.You do what you want.You can't go wrong dressing in this style.Everyone looking to dress in a style other than mainstream looks to the past for Ideas.And thats how revivals start.Don't take the critiscism too hard brother.We welcome your questions and observations.

post #10275 of 18819
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post


Gabriela,

The clip has been posted on here before off UTube..The Lad talking in the White Ben Sherman, is Dave Nickleson, the other lad talking is Tom Callagan the other lad is Toms Brother, and the lad sitting in the Harrington saying nothing is Phil Mann, all young Kilburn Aggro Mob,
If you go back in the thread I explain about that clip of a 40 mins Documentary about The Kilburn Mob, The girl in the front with Tony is Noreen i was drinking with her just before Christmas.
also the Brum girl at the end of the clip must of come from somewhere else she was nothing to do with the original documentary.

Thanks for putting names to faces Lasttye.Makes the story more personal.Is this the extent of this footage or is it a piece of a longer film and also was it a news item?

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