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skeptical jesus · Jul 9, 2015

@LA Guy Route 66 v2. New base image, leather midsole, darker, beefier crepe sole, but I'm kind of guessing at the color.

mayb10 · Jul 9, 2015

BatmanFactory said:
I gotchu!

Gandalf 2.0 Boot WITHOUT PULL-TAB:

1) @BatmanFactory

2) @jfclarky

3) @phxaz

4) @Aviv

5) @mayb10

6)

[please quote and add your own name to the list]

mayb10 · Jul 9, 2015

skeptical jesus said:
@LA Guy Route 66 v2. New base image, leather midsole, darker, beefier crepe sole, but I'm kind of guessing at the color.

^^That leather is going to break in beautifully. Get your kicks on Route 66 (v2)

CHRK33 · Jul 9, 2015

westie187 said:
Just wondering; @LA Guy any word on round 1 GTMOs? Specifically, the Tan Bison ripple boot?

An update would be appreciated!

LA Guy · Jul 9, 2015

janoy89 said:
@LA Guy
can we do the same thing as the folks above with the Engineer Boot regarding toe structure? What would we need, 6 people or more? I think there's at least 3 so far including myself who'd get in on it with partial structure.

Listen, we'll allow writeins for these two cases only. And you will have to vote. Deal is, if there are not enough write ins to do the variant, you forfeit your vote, or you can always buy the original. If you are good with this, I'll allow it.

Same goes for the alternative Gandalf.

LA Guy · Jul 9, 2015

CHRK33 said:
An update would be appreciated!

No word yet. Last I saw, we were on the board, literally, but no definite word yet.

LA Guy · Jul 9, 2015

skeptical jesus said:
@LA Guy
Route 66 v2. New base image, leather midsole, darker, beefier crepe sole, but I'm kind of guessing at the color.

I think that is closer. It's a super tough one. Thanks for doing the work for us!

I would say that the leather midsole will be more pronounced than in this photoshop. The color is closer, but the real color is "milkier" if that makes any sense, while a the same time having a black low tones, which do not show up here (and are super hard to photochop.)

BatmanFactory · Jul 9, 2015

LA Guy said:
Listen, we'll allow writeins for these two cases only. And you will have to vote. Deal is, if there are not enough write ins to do the variant, you forfeit your vote, or you can always buy the original. If you are good with this, I'll allow it.

Same goes for the alternative Gandalf.

That's totally fair. I am insanely appreciative that you are this accommodating (I'm sure everyone else is too).

In the last few hours the Gandalf 2.0 has collected 5 votes, will that be enough to go forward with the variant?

LA Guy · Jul 9, 2015

BatmanFactory said:
That's totally fair. I am insanely appreciative that you are this accommodating (I'm sure everyone else is too).

In the last few hours the Gandalf 2.0 has collected 5 votes, will that be enough to go forward with the variant?

If people actually put their money where there mouth is, there is a distinct possibility, yes. It could also be like the 310 makeup that never are...

BatmanFactory · Jul 9, 2015

LA Guy said:
If people actually put their money where there mouth is, there is a distinct possibility, yes. It could also be like the 310 makeup that never are...

Great! But I see your point... I'll circle back around and make sure people are on board.

Just to be sure, even after we get approval for the Gandalf 2.0, people will still be able to sign up for this variant?

stickydonk · Jul 9, 2015

LA Guy said:
Listen, we'll allow writeins for these two cases only. And you will have to vote. Deal is, if there are not enough write ins to do the variant, you forfeit your vote, or you can always buy the original. If you are good with this, I'll allow it.

Same goes for the alternative Gandalf.

BatmanFactory said:
That's totally fair. I am insanely appreciative that you are this accommodating (I'm sure everyone else is too).

In the last few hours the Gandalf 2.0 has collected 5 votes, will that be enough to go forward with the variant?

Everyone had almost three weeks to make proposals and solidifying specs before going to vote. There was plenty of time to make the appropriate changes to all make-ups. Only now when the voting stage begins people are deciding to make changes.

As Ben Graham said many decades ago: “In the short-term the market is a voting
machine; in the long-run it acts as a weighing machine.” Occasionally, the voting decisions of investors –
amateurs and professionals alike – border on lunacy.

Let the market play out the way it's supposed to where everyone plays by the rules. Right now the Viberg GMTO market is divorced from reality and many of it's investors acting like irrational lunatics.

stickydonk · Jul 9, 2015

Let me clarify,
"plays by the rules" = original make-up specs

BatmanFactory · Jul 9, 2015

stickydonk said:
Everyone had almost three weeks to make proposals and solidifying specs before going to vote. There was plenty of time to make the appropriate changes to all make-ups. Only now when the voting stage begins people are deciding to make changes.

As Ben Graham said many decades ago: “In the short-term the market is a voting
machine; in the long-run it acts as a weighing machine.” Occasionally, the voting decisions of investors –
amateurs and professionals alike – border on lunacy.

Let the market play out the way it's supposed to where everyone plays by the rules. Right now the Viberg GMTO market is divorced from reality and many of it's investors acting like irrational lunatics.

I apologize if I have offended, but could you kindly refrain from throwing around veiled insults?

The pull-tab is a detail which I brought up several times during the proposals stage, each time the crowd that weighed in was split roughly down the middle and thus nothing happened. Early in the voting stage, additional users brought up that they hadn't noticed the pull-tab and were disappointed at its inclusion. At this point there was enough dissent for some further discussion to be held. Which has lead us to the variant build of the Gandalf 2.0.

Do I wish we had been able to iron this out prior to the voting stage? Absolutely.
However, now in this stage, some of us feel strongly enough to vote with our money for this variant makeup.

LA Guy · Jul 9, 2015

BatmanFactory said:
Great! But I see your point... I'll circle back around and make sure people are on board.

Just to be sure, even after we get approval for the Gandalf 2.0, people will still be able to sign up for this variant?

So, for those people now voting for the variant, there is no guarantee that your makeup will make the top 4, or even 5. I'm allowing these write in votes against my better judgement, but I do want to give you guys a chance. However, the difference is that because you guys DID, as it was piinted out, have a few weeks to speak up and further your cause, your votes will NOT be refunded, whether or not your variant makeups go ahead. If they do not, you may still put your money towards another makeup (and you still get the 2 for 1 credit), but you will NOT be refunded, out of fairness to everyone else in the process who did things in a timely fashion, and to me, because this just makes administering this program so much harder.

But yes, if the variant makeups go ahead, people who DID NOT vote for them can still buy them. This does create a type of prisoners dilemma for your variant people, because there is a temptation to hold back, for fear of throwing $20 into the wind. I can easily see a scenario in which, say, there are 8 people who want the variant, but only 5 vote for it. At the end of the day, 5 is not enough to make the cut, so those 5 people have bought me a dinner date. If all 8 had voted, the makeup would have gone ahead, and your guys all would have had $40 credit each, for your $20, to boot. So I would very much encourage you guys to really get out the vote. I encourage EVERYONE to get out the vote, but your guys will actually have money on the line.

LA Guy · Jul 9, 2015

BatmanFactory said:
I apologize if I have offended, but could you kindly refrain from throwing around veiled insults?

The pull-tab is a detail which I brought up several times during the proposals stage, each time the crowd that weighed in was split roughly down the middle and thus nothing happened. Early in the voting stage, additional users brought up that they hadn't noticed the pull-tab and were disappointed at its inclusion. At this point there was enough dissent for some further discussion to be held. Which has lead us to the variant build of the Gandalf 2.0.

Do I wish we had been able to iron this out prior to the voting stage? Absolutely.
However, now in this stage, some of us feel strongly enough to vote with our money for this variant makeup.

Guys, there is no need to fight. I have made an on the fly decision (read above) that I feel is fair to everyone. Let's just get back to making cool stuff.

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