Patek watches

JL,

Ernest is brining commentary from a previous thread. I understand why he brought it over to this thread...but he should not tread the same path as others.

Jon.

I personally love the Calatrava line. It's an elegant, understated design that never goes out of style. I purchased a 3919/5 in white gold about six years ago and it's still my favorite watch.

Spend some time on the Timezone forums and look at the various watch sites to get an idea of what appeals to YOU.

V-

AJL,

Ernest is brining commentary from a previous thread. I understand why he brought it over to this thread...but he should not tread the same path as others.

Jon.

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Jon,

I think I deduced the intended inference, a la Kalra, aka "He of the White Arm" (man, I've got way too much time on my hands to have sifted through this trainwreck of a thread, but then, I know I'm not alone...).

I'm just not sure where the sexual innuendo comes into play (perhaps I missed something?).

Regards,
Andrew

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(imageWIS @ 19 July 2004, 8:38) AJL, Ernest is brining commentary from a previous thread. I understand why he brought it over to this thread...but he should not tread the same path as others. Jon.
Jon, I think I deduced the intended inference, a la Kalra, aka "He of the White Arm" (man, I've got way too much time on my hands to have sifted through this trainwreck of a thread, but then, I know I'm not alone...). I'm just not sure where the sexual innuendo comes into play (perhaps I missed something?). Regards, Andrew
Yes you did miss something. There is a reference somewhere regarding that particular sexual innuendo and that particular watch. Jon.

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Here is a Boston-based dealer, who sells both new & used Pateks, as well as IWC, Blancpain, Vacheron, etc., etc. Some fairly good photos to look at to start to get an idea of what's out there. The stock seems to change fairly often. Personally, I'd probably go with a really nice Blancpain if I had your budget to work with (wish I did&#33

, as opposed to Patek which I think you're paying a premium on for the name. However, unlike some here, I am by no means a professed watch expert and am merely expressing my amateurish preference. Good luck choosing. http://www.europeanwatch.com/
When it comes to EuropeanWatch: buyer beware. And don't just take it from me, check out Timezone.com. Jon.
Jon, I usually stay away from Patek threads but your comment about European watch comments on Timezone is disturbing. Timezone has a policy not to mention dealers in its fora. Would you care sharing with us the thread on TZ about European? Albert, the owner of European Wach has a very good reputation, and I am always at loss when I see an unfounded comment affect somebody business and reputation. William Massena

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Here is a Boston-based dealer, who sells both new & used Pateks, as well as IWC, Blancpain, Vacheron, etc., etc. Some fairly good photos to look at to start to get an idea of what's out there. The stock seems to change fairly often. Personally, I'd probably go with a really nice Blancpain if I had your budget to work with (wish I did&#33

, as opposed to Patek which I think you're paying a premium on for the name. However, unlike some here, I am by no means a professed watch expert and am merely expressing my amateurish preference. Good luck choosing. http://www.europeanwatch.com/
When it comes to EuropeanWatch: buyer beware. And don't just take it from me, check out Timezone.com. Jon.
Jon, I usually stay away from Patek threads but your comment about European watch comments on Timezone is disturbing. Timezone has a policy not to mention dealers in its fora. Would you care sharing with us the thread on TZ about European? Albert, the owner of European Wach has a very good reputation, and I am always at loss when I see an unfounded comment affect somebody business and reputation. William Massena
People do mention dealers on Timezone, sometimes the moderators pick this up and delete the threads, and sometimes they don't. His reputation is know to me not only by people on-line, but also by people who in I know in Boston and people who have purchased from him via the web (and whom post on other forums) and in person whilst on trips to Boston. I have heard many a horror story, enough to warn others; if they purchase from him, at least they were forewarned. Plus, I am not talking about mistakes that sometimes occur because of inevitable human error (we are all human after all), but am talking about deliberate deception. Interestingly enough, I have yet to see you protest when someone complains about Jantzen, for whatever reason, since you are so concerned about a comment that can affect somebody's business and reputation. Jon.

People do mention dealers on Timezone, sometimes the moderators pick this up and delete the threads, and sometimes they don't. His reputation is know to me not only by people on-line, but also by people who in I know in Boston and people who have purchased from him via the web (and whom post on other forums) and in person whilst on trips to Boston. I have heard many a horror story, enough to warn others; if they purchase from him, at least they were forewarned. Plus, I am not talking about mistakes that sometimes occur because of inevitable human error (we are all human after all), but am talking about deliberate deception. Interestingly enough, I have yet to see you protest when someone complains about Jantzen, for whatever reason, since you are so concerned about a comment that can affect somebody's business and reputation. Jon.

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Hi Jon, Let me introduced myself, I have been a regular on Timezone since 1994, I am the moderator of the Patek Forum, the Breguet forum and member of the senior moderator team. I have been a watch collector for nearly 20 years, I do specialize in Patek and Rolex, I am a member of  the NAWCC, IWJG, BHS and WTA. Albert of European watch co is also a member of these organisations. I do not base accusations on "friends in Boston" or "lost" threads on another forum but on facts. Since you "bought" a Patek 5065 (introduced in 1998) when you were in 10th grade, let me give you an advice kid; next time do your homework. William Massena [email protected]

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(imageWIS @ 19 July 2004, 8:38) AJL, Ernest is brining commentary from a previous thread. I understand why he brought it over to this thread...but he should not tread the same path as others. Jon.
Jon, I think I deduced the intended inference, a la Kalra, aka "He of the White Arm" (man, I've got way too much time on my hands to have sifted through this trainwreck of a thread, but then, I know I'm not alone...). I'm just not sure where the sexual innuendo comes into play (perhaps I missed something?). Regards, Andrew
you'd do better to keep a lower profile.... Thanks for your advice. Why not trying to follow your own advice by yourself? Sexual = because who but a gay* could wear such a watch? *An of fashion gay of 60 years of course.

And yup, it turned into another one of those threads.

Let me start by saying I know who you are.

Your implications are completely unfounded, especially since I doubt you have every TZ thread since 1994 and have in fact read all of them. And since I seemingly lack proof, you have not publicized any in return. Interestingly you have not countered with any "facts".

Regarding the "˜Kid' remark, I already know how certain members of TZ treat people whom they think they are superior to, strictly because of their age. My friend (personal friend of mine, which ironically enough, I met through TZ), used to moderate the Breitling forum on TZ, and he was kicked off because of his age (he is 2 years younger than I). I already have a full-formed idea of how TZ's moderators and certain members deal with people whom are not up to their age "˜standards'. Your judgment and bias towards age is despicable.

And then you stumbled here and posted a discriminatory post, in a forum where you are amongst quite a few members, which are in my age group. Perhaps you will respond to them in a similar fashion when they discuss other topics on this forum? Obviously their age will impede them from having an informed opinion.

Being a member of an organization hardly makes you a good or decent businessperson does it not? I am sure that a lot of companies are members of the BBB, but how many of them have taken advantage of their customers in the past and will continue to do so?

That's right, I acquired a job, worked and I bought myself a Patek. Obviously you were insinuating that you thought I had acquired the Patek through means other than those of my own doing...perhaps it is you not I, whom should "do his homework".

Out of curiosity, did you buy yourself a Patek when you were in the 10th grade?

Geronimo--

Your decision to invest in a fine watch is one you'll never regret.  And the advice you've gotten from the posters in this thread is pure gold.  (I refer here to the earlier contributors. Not that the squabblers aren't entertaining.)

Of course, the timepiece you finally settle on will have to be a reflection not of our taste but of yours.  This choice should be influenced by many variables--your body type, vocation, work environment, hobbies, place of residence, and, of course, resources.  By far the most important determinants--as in all matters of personal style--will be your own character, temperament, and values.

Needless to say, Patek manufactures a wide range of models. Some are suited to big-boned sportsmen, others to businessmen, still others to self-indulgent wastrels (like me.). Don't forget the many, many vintage models that are no longer being made. (A Patek will last practically forever. Why not, then, buy a vintage watch?  Besides, IMHO a used Partek often has more character than a freshly-minted one.)  Consult the websites mentioned here by others.  Get your hands on a catalogue.  And observe other well-dressed fellows.  Watch them like a hawk.  Look and learn.

When you feel ready to take the step, go to a very well established vintage/estate merchant, one who you know will stand behind his product.  Make sure he guarantees accuracy to within 30 seconds (or so) a day.  

Don't be in a hurry.  Keep coming back until you find the watch that perfectly reflects your unique personal style.  When it appears, believe me, you'll know it.

Expect to spend between seven and nine thousand dollars.  (In my experience, the initial purchase price must sometimes be supplemented by a thousand dollars or so of tweaking.)

If you're anything like me, the right vintage Patek will be a continuing source of satisfaction.  It's fun to see the effect of the watch on employers, headwaiters, prospective fathers-in-law.  Snooty salespeople, too.  It stops them in their tracks.  Again: in Las Vegas last month four or five toffs at the tables complimented me on the watch.  I favored them with a smile and told them it had been a present. . . from me to me.  

A gift of this sort can be costly.  But I like to look at it this way.  For once you're sure of getting what you want.

Mike

Hi Jon, Let me introduced myself, I have been a regular on Timezone since 1994, I am the moderator of the Patek Forum, the Breguet forum and member of the senior moderator team. I have been a watch collector for nearly 20 years, I do specialize in Patek and Rolex, I am a member of  the NAWCC, IWJG, BHS and WTA. Albert of European watch co is also a member of these organisations. I do not base accusations on "friends in Boston" or "lost" threads on another forum but on facts. Since you "bought" a Patek 5065 (introduced in 1998) when you were in 10th grade, let me give you an advice kid; next time do your homework. William Massena [email protected]

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I stumbled upon this thread looking for more watch advice, and I managed to catch the wonderful quote above. (Oh no guys, we'd better behave or this watch collector will explode all over the Internet.) Every one of us has the right to say something good or something bad about a particular company or particular person in the business of watches, tailored clothing, shoes, or anything else related to men's clothing. Some sacred cows of the industries have already been torn apart by some scathing reviews, and I for one am glad I read them because it allows me to have a healthy dose of skepticism whenever dealing with these companies that may or may not rip me off. Consumer evaluation is not libel nor is it slander. If you want to disprove Jon's post, attack the message and not him. Flagrant ad hominem attacks aren't allowed here. So far you've listed your credibilities. Great. Doesn't mean much in an argument by itself. Try listing some actual experiences that may help us to realize how good of a company this European Watch thing is.

I personally like vintage Audemars', and Vacheron's.

And yup, it turned into another one of those threads.
Regarding the "˜Kid' remark, I already know how certain members of TZ treat people whom they think they are superior to, strictly because of their age. My friend (personal friend of mine, which ironically enough, I met through TZ), used to moderate the Breitling forum on TZ, and he was kicked off because of his age (he is 2 years younger than I). I already have a full-formed idea of how TZ's moderators and certain members deal with people whom are not up to their age "˜standards'. Your judgment and bias towards age is despicable.

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Jon

I don't believe eRIC was kicked off TZ because of his age.  That he was young, I don't think was any great secret.  Heck, I knew he was very young, and I not one of the moderators there.  I recall the debacle when he did leave though, it had to do with the provenance of a watch he was selling.

As for William, I believe he was only asking if you could refer him to the thread on TZ which dissed that dealer, since you said go check TZ out yourself if you didn't believe it.  Given TZ policies and being the Patek moderator, are you surprised he asked you to point him to it?  I'm not.

Finally, he is, of course, free to pick up and comment on any thread he chooses.  There's no obligation on him to respond to a thread dissing Jantzen or K-Mart or Wal-Mart or whatever.  Are you suggesting he should?  I imagine he does have a life.

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(imageWIS @ 19 July 2004, 8:46) And yup, it turned into another one of those threads. Regarding the "˜Kid' remark, I already know how certain members of TZ treat people whom they think they are superior to, strictly because of their age. My friend (personal friend of mine, which ironically enough, I met through TZ), used to moderate the Breitling forum on TZ, and he was kicked off because of his age (he is 2 years younger than I). I already have a full-formed idea of how TZ's moderators and certain members deal with people whom are not up to their age "˜standards'. Your judgment and bias towards age is despicable.
Jon I don't believe eRIC was kicked off TZ because of his age. Â That he was young, I don't think was any great secret. Â Heck, I knew he was very young, and I not one of the moderators there. Â I recall the debacle when he did leave though, it had to do with the provenance of a watch he was selling. As for William, I believe he was only asking if you could refer him to the thread on TZ which dissed that dealer, since you said go check TZ out yourself if you didn't believe it. Â Given TZ policies and being the Patek moderator, are you surprised he asked you to point him to it? Â I'm not. Finally, he is, of course, free to pick up and comment on any thread he chooses. Â There's no obligation on him to respond to a thread dissing Jantzen or K-Mart or Wal-Mart or whatever. Â Are you suggesting he should? Â I imagine he does have a life.
How old was this Eric?

Here is my Patek from 1978