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The way I see it, you don't have any duds in that group, WHATSOEVER, Nuke. All winners. And of course we are here to enable.

So if you are strictly prioritizing the order of purchase, I'd put the Rolex last based on the fact you already have a Speedy. BLNR has to be considered strictly sporty, although somebody out there is wearing one with a suit, sure as I am typing this.

Both of the Genta watches are true "crossovers" IMO, quite versatile in their own ways....and especially since you've described your workplace as more casual....either the RO or Nautilus should be appropriate.

But I guess if you think about it, the Royal Oak ticks off two boxes there, since you don't really desire another AP....so yeah, probably get that one first. Royal Oak it is!

And don't wait around. Your future kids are hella-expensive LOL.

FWIW, after re-reading, I also interpret your words and subsequent post to mean that you might rather have a different/dressier Patek eventually.

Decisions, decisions....

Yes, I think you and the others are right about the BLNR. It really is a sporty choice, while the Genta pieces can definitely traverse the realms of work and play. I hear the future children are super expensive, and I seriously doubt I will be in a position to buy a fancy watch again for quite some time smile.gif.

And since I am laying it on the table, ideally I would like a watch from each of the big three. The way that I envision it is a 3-hander from VC (one of the quirky ones), a chrono or annual calendar (or a day / month counter) from PP, and a RO from AP. I just keep on seeing Frills' and NS's (I think it is NS, if my memory serves me correctly) with their 5711s, and it is just such a purdy watch. Of course, this is ALL aspirational, and probably very unlikely.
post #26432 of 48312
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

I was looking at SJX's blog yesterday, and came across the Patek 5959. I have to say that this is the kind of watch that really makes me respect the heck out of Patek.




It is watches like this that make me realize that Patek is the honey badger of the watch world.

It was made in 2005, which when you think about, is right in the middle of the Panerai phase. Ben Clymer at Hodinkee really makes some good points about it. To summarize what he said: "who the heck makes a 33mm watch just for the hell of it?" But yeah, I just wanted to share it with y'all. I really respect the watchmaking ethos of PP.

 

I've seen this one up close and I've got to say it does absolute justice to that line of thinking that smaller watches and movements that can house grande complications represent more of an achievement than comparably larger models.  The miniaturization process alone is quite a feat, while of course maintaining standards of finishing, reliability, quality.

 

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That Patek is superb, NewC. I wonder how that 33mm wears on the wrist?

Maybe frilly can kop for us and provide pics and an analysis? devil.gif

 

I wasn't able to take a wrist shot when I viewed the 5959 but oh boy - it was under $400,000 MSRP back in 2008 and I believe it is now $500,000 MSRP.  If you can get your application approved, of course.

 

Not cheap.

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I am so sorry to miss you here in NYC last weekend DLJr and Stitchy!

But stitchy maybe you should have stayed longer for work reasons. Went to the IWJG show in Brooklyn this morning and picked up an annual calendar (attention: Nuke) for my cousin. Done deal but the dealer had a booth at the show and it was easy for me to pick it up there. Wrist shot here - a black dial 5035 annual calendar in white gold, on a tang buckle for $22K:

tuqyre2y.jpg

Right beside my 3940 perpetual calendar in platinum, for comparison.

Needless to say, my cousin is quite excited for HER new watch. Her first Patek. She traded in four vintage Rolexes, a Panerai and some cash for this one plus a black dial Explorer II. She's quite a collector, that one.



/****** Apparently I live on Instagram too - mainly timepieces, shoes, attire and the occasional cheeseburger. @no_frills_vc. ******/
post #26434 of 48312
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Hmmm, well, I do tend to keep my collection to "one watch, one brand," and there are other Pateks I want other than a Nautilus. I would love to own an AP, but the only AP I really would like is the 15202. Thanks for the support on all three though, I think they are a nice representation of each brand! I think you are right about the BLNR not sating my appetite.

In regards to 15202 v. 5711, I waiver almost daily. I have never seen the 15202 in the flesh, so I would have to do that before I made my decision smile.gif.
Haha, I knew you would be good for an AP vote. And thanks! It really is a very pretty watch. Did you see it on someone at the NMWA trunkshow? I am excited to see some pics of the event.

 

Its definitely best to try them on in person before making a decision.  I like the 5711 and the 5712 a lot.  When I was searching for a steel luxury sports watch the Nautilus was the only watch that rivaled the finish on the RO.  Even as a VC fan, I don't think their Overseas is an equal to the RO 15202 or PP 5711.  I always wanted to have 1 of each of the big three represented in my collection.  As for VC, I only favor their dress watches, for AP I'm mainly drawn to RO (Jumbo and Chronograph), but for Patek...some times I'm interested in a Nautilus, at other times there are other models that grab me.  

 

With the RO, the Jumbo is the quintessential RO.  I bought with the mind set, if I only ever own one RO, which should it be?  I briefly considered the chronograph, but already have the same base movement of the chronograph in my Cartier Pasha..., and the cal 2121 is really a landmark in the watch world.  After 40 years its still the thinnest automatic movement, and its pure artwork.  In addition, the ultra thin movement and case wear nice a flat and it helps the watch straddle the line of being able to look great with a jeans and a T-shirt or a suit.  Also, the dial that they brought back to celebrate 40 years, is IMHO the ideal modern RO dial.  The blue takes on different tones and colors depending on lighting and I really like that the date is there, but so subtle with its dial colored background that its not a distraction. To me there is also some significance in that its the watch that started the entire genre leading to the Nautilus, the VC222/Overseas, GP Laureato, IWC Ingenieur etc.  So for me, the 15202 satisfied the criteria of being the RO I would want to own, if I only ever own one AP. 

 

I would tell you to try on the 5711 and a 15202.  Although both Genta creations, they look and feel very different.  If you talk with Patek owners, most tend to favor the Nautilus...and with good reason its a great watch!  For me, my main hesitation on the Nautilus, was that I felt the bracelet felt too thin and light weight.  I preferred the slightly greater heft of the RO bracelet.  That's very subjective and you may like the lighter feel of the Nautilus bracelet.  I also felt there are other Patek's I liked and I did not feel that the Nautilus was necessarily the one PP I would want to own if I could own just one.  Although, maybe someday that will change.

 

Whichever you choose is bound to put a smile on your face.  If you want an AP, my vote is for the 15202...to borrow a statement by Ferris Bueller, ..."It is so choice!"  

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

I wasn't able to take a wrist shot when I viewed the 5959 but oh boy - it was under $400,000 MSRP back in 2008 and I believe it is now $500,000 MSRP.  If you can get your application approved, of course.
Not cheap.

clearly you missed a chance. shame on you!
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I am so sorry to miss you here in NYC last weekend DLJr and Stitchy!

But stitchy maybe you should have stayed longer for work reasons. Went to the IWJG show in Brooklyn this morning and picked up an annual calendar (attention: Nuke) for my cousin. Done deal but the dealer had a booth at the show and it was easy for me to pick it up there. Wrist shot here - a black dial 5035 annual calendar in white gold, on a tang buckle for $22K:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
tuqyre2y.jpg

Right beside my 3940 perpetual calendar in platinum, for comparison.

Needless to say, my cousin is quite excited for HER new watch. Her first Patek. She traded in four vintage Rolexes, a Panerai and some cash for this one plus a black dial Explorer II. She's quite a collector, that one.

yours is nicer.

congrats to your cousin!!icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #26437 of 48312
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Its definitely best to try them on in person before making a decision.  I like the 5711 and the 5712 a lot.  When I was searching for a steel luxury sports watch the Nautilus was the only watch that rivaled the finish on the RO.  Even as a VC fan, I don't think their Overseas is an equal to the RO 15202 or PP 5711.  I always wanted to have 1 of each of the big three represented in my collection.  As for VC, I only favor their dress watches, for AP I'm mainly drawn to RO (Jumbo and Chronograph), but for Patek...some times I'm interested in a Nautilus, at other times there are other models that grab me.  

With the RO, the Jumbo is the quintessential RO.  I bought with the mind set, if I only ever own one RO, which should it be?  I briefly considered the chronograph, but already have the same base movement of the chronograph in my Cartier Pasha..., and the cal 2121 is really a landmark in the watch world.  After 40 years its still the thinnest automatic movement, and its pure artwork.  In addition, the ultra thin movement and case wear nice a flat and it helps the watch straddle the line of being able to look great with a jeans and a T-shirt or a suit.  Also, the dial that they brought back to celebrate 40 years, is IMHO the ideal modern RO dial.  The blue takes on different tones and colors depending on lighting and I really like that the date is there, but so subtle with its dial colored background that its not a distraction. To me there is also some significance in that its the watch that started the entire genre leading to the Nautilus, the VC222/Overseas, GP Laureato, IWC Ingenieur etc.  So for me, the 15202 satisfied the criteria of being the RO I would want to own, if I only ever own one AP. 

I would tell you to try on the 5711 and a 15202.  Although both Genta creations, they look and feel very different.  If you talk with Patek owners, most tend to favor the Nautilus...and with good reason its a great watch!  For me, my main hesitation on the Nautilus, was that I felt the bracelet felt too thin and light weight.  I preferred the slightly greater heft of the RO bracelet.  That's very subjective and you may like the lighter feel of the Nautilus bracelet.  I also felt there are other Patek's I liked and I did not feel that the Nautilus was necessarily the one PP I would want to own if I could own just one.  Although, maybe someday that will change.

Whichever you choose is bound to put a smile on your face.  If you want an AP, my vote is for the 15202...to borrow a statement by Ferris Bueller, ..."It is so choice!"  

I was hoping that you would chime in Dino. It is always great to hear your perspective.

I definitely plan on trying the 15202 on before taking the plunge, although finding one is definitely another problem. I called my AD (I like to do so in advance), and it sounds like there is quite a wait on these. I have tried the 5711, and I found it immensely comfortable. I did find the bracelet a bit light, but not so light that I found it flimsy. So it really depends on how the RO wears on the wrist.

One thing with the 5711 and the 5712 that I cannot ignore is the price. I feel like everyone has a line when it comes to pricing. For me... there comes a point in time when I cannot justify spending so much for a steel watch. These two watches are almost impossible to criticize, they both have so many virtues. So I hate that price comes into the picture for me, but $5,000 is still $5,000. And like you said, there are other Pateks that I would like.

I agree wholeheartedly on your evaluation of the RO, and the 15202 particularly. The smaller tapisserie dial really helps to tie this modern variation to the original. And the use of the 2121 movement is just the icing on the cake. I also really like the skeletonization on the rotor of the 15202. I feel like it is THE RO model to own, if you are a history / provenance geek.
Edited by Newcomer - 11/19/13 at 6:28am
post #26438 of 48312
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

I've seen this one up close and I've got to say it does absolute justice to that line of thinking that smaller watches and movements that can house grande complications represent more of an achievement than comparably larger models.  The miniaturization process alone is quite a feat, while of course maintaining standards of finishing, reliability, quality.

I did not realize that the price tag on that bad boy was so hefty. Yowzas. But I completely agree with your assessment. A grande complication in a petite case is no small achievement. The architecture of the movement on the 5959 is gorgeous.
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yours is nicer.

congrats to your cousin!!icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

 

And yet a few of the Instagram netizens preferred the 5035 aesthetically when I posted this pic.  Hah hah!  Nice.  :D

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silly instagrammers.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

silly instagrammers.

+85

Although the AC is lovely, your PC is just a completely different animal. That may be my favorite watch of yours.
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

I am so sorry to miss you here in NYC last weekend DLJr and Stitchy!

But stitchy maybe you should have stayed longer for work reasons. Went to the IWJG show in Brooklyn this morning and picked up an annual calendar (attention: Nuke) for my cousin. Done deal but the dealer had a booth at the show and it was easy for me to pick it up there. Wrist shot here - a black dial 5035 annual calendar in white gold, on a tang buckle for $22K:

tuqyre2y.jpg

Right beside my 3940 perpetual calendar in platinum, for comparison.

Needless to say, my cousin is quite excited for HER new watch. Her first Patek. She traded in four vintage Rolexes, a Panerai and some cash for this one plus a black dial Explorer II. She's quite a collector, that one.



/****** Apparently I live on Instagram too - mainly timepieces, shoes, attire and the occasional cheeseburger. @no_frills_vc. ******/

Frills, that's my next watch. Made up my mind a few weeks back. 5035 white gold. Love the black dial against those Roman numerals
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Originally Posted by jhcam8 View Post


Nice herringbone, nice chambray, nice strap & nice watch.

And NewC: 15202 satisfied.gif
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Originally Posted by Kaplan View Post

Nice herringbone, nice chambray, nice strap & nice watch.

And NewC: 15202 satisfied.gif

Thank you. A new AP RO jumbo?
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Of the ones he's considering, that would be my choice.
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