Post Undergrad Sob Story, any advice?

ethanm · Oct 11, 2012

hookem12387 said:
I have a lot of friends that went did tfa, and split opinions on how much it actually helps schools aside, it was a leg up for them in applying to grad school and/or jobs. It's also a job for 2 years, if you can get it.

I'm fundamentally opposed to the program. It's like putting a Band-aid on a broken bone.

For those wondering about school I went to WVU because I slacked off in high school. Graduated with a 3.5.

mcbrown · Oct 11, 2012

dfagdfsh · Oct 11, 2012

WVU has an absolutely massive alumni network and has excellent name recognition in WV, VA, MD and DC. Why aren't you using these resources? A 3.5 isn't anything to be ashamed of.

Edit: I don't know why I'm doing this work for you, because you're coming off as kind of dickish, but...

http://alumni.wvu.edu/groups/chapters

New Jersey

Garden State Chapter
Tom Stack
381 Skyline Lakes Drive
Ringwood, NJ 07456
717.575.5490
[email protected]
Join us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=126868954449

Jersey Shore
Brian Baldasare
732-449-4818
[email protected]
Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jersey-Shore-WVU-Alumni/169042949853642

Liberty Bell
Ed McMahon
4 Tallowood Court
Mantua, NJ 08051
[email protected]
[email protected]
facebook: WVU Alumni Liberty Bell Chapter
http://www.wvulibertybell.com

NY/NJ Metro
Shannon Pill
888 Main Street, #437
New York, NY 10044
917-733-4992
[email protected]
http://www.wvunynjalumni.org

texas_jack · Oct 11, 2012

I'm not helping because your team beat my Longhorns.

ethanm · Oct 11, 2012

^No worries, my friend. I'm a New York Giants fan, which probably precludes me as well! I didn't go to the 2007 WVU Pitt game that would have landed WVU in the championship game because it was raining.

I never reached out to an alumni organization because I never fit in at WVU so I figure I wouldn't fit in with WVU away from WVU. Like I said, I'm a little reclusive.

texas_jack · Oct 11, 2012

EMartNJ said:
I never reached out to an alumni organization because I never fit in at WVU so I figure I wouldn't fit in with WVU away from WVU. Like I said, I'm a little reclusive.

Being reclusive is going to keep you from getting a job. Networking is the number one way to get a job. Start doing it now.

mcbrown · Oct 11, 2012

dfagdfsh · Oct 11, 2012

Seriously at every step in this thread you've basically said you're unwilling to do what anyone is suggesting. You don't want to reach out to alumni, you don't want to work outside a specific field that you think you'd like, etc.

Have you looked up certificate/graduate programs for publishing?

Have you looked up local publishing firms which you might be able to intern at?

Have you contacted your local University's academic press?

http://press.princeton.edu/
Princeton University Press, 41 William Street, Princeton, New Jersey 08540 USA

Here's their entire staff list. Are you calling these people?

Director of Princeton University Press

Peter Dougherty, Director (609-258-6778)
Martha Camp, Administrative Assistant to the Director: (609-258-4953)
Associate Director of Princeton University Press

Patrick Carroll, Associate Director and Controller (609-258-2486)
Acquisitions Editorial:
**Note: Princeton University Press does not accept unsolicited proposals or manuscripts via e-mail.**

Brigitta van Rheinberg, Editor-in-Chief and Executive Editor (history--American, European, Middle Eastern, Jewish, Asian, Medieval, and World)(609-258-4935)
Fred Appel, Senior Editor (anthropology, music, religion) (609-258-2484)
Seth Ditchik, Executive Editor (economics and finance) (609-258-9428)
Ingrid Gnerlich, Senior Editor (physical and earth sciences) (609-258-5775)
Alison Kalett, Editor (biology and earth sciences) (609-258-9232)
Vickie Kearn, Executive Editor (mathematics) (609-258-2321)
Robert Kirk, Executive Editor (biology, natural history, ornithology, Field Guides) (609-258-4884)
Alison MacKeen, Senior Editor (literature, art) (609-258-4569)
Chuck Myers, Executive Editor (political science, law) (609-258-4922)
Anne Savarese, Executive Editor (reference) (609-258-4937)
Eric Schwartz, Editor (sociology, cognitive sciences) (609-258-4908)
Robert Tempio, Executive Editor (philosophy, ancient world, and political theory) (609-258-0843)
U.K./European Editorial & Marketing Office: 6 Oxford Street, Woodstock, Oxfordshire, OX20 1TW England

Al Bertrand, Publishing Director, phone: 011-44-1993-814501 email: abertrand at pupress.co.uk
Ben Tate, Editor and Director of Foreign Rights, phone: 011-44-1993-814502 email: btate at pupress.co.uk
Caroline Priday, European Director of Publicity, phone: 011-44-1993-814503 email: cpriday at pupress.co.uk
Kim Williams, Translations Editor and International Rights Manager, phone: 011-44-1993-814 509 email: kwilliams at pupress.co.uk
Business:

Patrick Carroll, Controller (609-258-2486)
Editing, Design and Production:

Neil Litt, Director of Editing, Design and Production (609-258-5066)
Elizabeth Byrd, Editorial Manuscripts Manager (609-258-2589)
Eileen Reilly, Electronic Manuscripts Manager (609-258-2719)
Marketing:

Adam Fortgang, Assistant Press Director & Marketing Director (609-258-4896)
Leslie Nangle, Associate Marketing Director (609-258-5881)
Melissa Burton, Exhibits Manager (609-258-4915)
Julie Haenisch, Senior Text Promotion Manager (609 258-6856)
Donna Liese, Advertising Manager (609-258-4924)
Priscilla Treadwell, Digital Sales Director (609-258-9387)
Permissions:

Permissions Coordinator phone: 609-258-1611 email: permissions at press.princeton.edu
Permissions information and forms
Publicity:

Andrew DeSio, Publicity Director (609-258-5165)
Information on Review Copy Requests email: publicity at press.princeton.edu
Publishing Technology:

Chuck Creesy, Director of Publishing Technologies (609-258-5745)
Sales:

Timothy Wilkins, Sales Director (609-258-4898)
John Hussey, Assistant Director of Sales/National Accounts Manager (609-258-4877)
Shaquona Crews, Domestic Subsidiary Rights Manager (609-258-5799)
Kim Williams, International Rights Manager (011-44-1993-814 509)
For all translation rights queries, please see our listing of international rights agents.

People always talk about how a liberal arts degree is so useless, but to me it's not the degree, it's the sense of entitlement and laziness...

dfagdfsh · Oct 11, 2012

This thread is pissing me off. I'm tempted to pick up the phone and get you a ******* internship for you.

Joffrey · Oct 11, 2012

Teger, OP didn't go to Princeton he went to WVU. Now go back and find him resources there.

texas_jack · Oct 11, 2012

This guy got some solid advice already. It's up to him to follow it now.

imolazhp_ci · Oct 11, 2012

a lot of people i know did their undergrand, went to officer candidates school following graduation, and then straight to business school, and now have jobs at top consulting firms and banks.

the way i see it, you hit a home run by doing the army thing, but for some reason you're sitting on 2nd base watching the others scramble instead of running home.

go to grad school, or look at government jobs, FBI/CIA clandestine service/etc. there's so much to be had unless you went to a no-name school and got ****** grades.

ethanm · Oct 12, 2012

Teger said:
Seriously at every step in this thread you've basically said you're unwilling to do what anyone is suggesting. You don't want to reach out to alumni, you don't want to work outside a specific field that you think you'd like, etc.

All I've done is explain why I haven't done certain things. The only thing I explicitly rejected was Teach For America. You need to calm down.

CYstyle · Oct 12, 2012

EMartNJ said:
All I've done is explain why I haven't done certain things. The only thing I explicitly rejected was Teach For America. You need to calm down.

he has the right to be annoyed. you asked for help, he went out of his way to help you. Then you ignore all his advice and everyone else's on how to actually get a job with an endless list of excuses.

Here are the facts:
the economy is not great. The job market is certainly better than 3 years ago, but not to the point where you can be very picky esp when you have little job experience and a fresh grad. you have no leverage.

You will need to talk to people in your job. Even in publishing you are not going to be in a room reading all day.

It's Oct 12. The hiring process takes roughly 2 weeks-1 month+, Once the 3rd or 4th week of Nov whenever Thanksgiving is hiring will pretty much come to a sharp slow down. unless you want to be working retail for Xmas. But everyone starts taking vacation etc. Could be 2-3 week of Jan by the time they get back to work mode and out of holidays.

That means you'll be adding another 3 months of unemployment to your resume. So then future employers will think why is this kid unemployed so long? People will overlook you because no one wants to hire someone that no one else will. Also when you finally get a job you are going to be lowballed and then forced to accept it because you have no leverage to negotiate with.

ethanm · Oct 12, 2012

You have no idea what advice I have taken and what I haven't.

Here's a list
-rewrote my cover letter and bounced it off my brother a few times.
-rewrote my resume
-started looking into short master's programs for publishing etc
-expanded my job search to administrative assistant/temp type jobs

If I don't seem in a huge hurry it's because I have a decent amount of money left over from my deployment and no debt.

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