Originally Posted by johnny_flapjack
- If you're saying Cabrera is "horrible" on defense, you are not watching the Tigers play very often. Go to ESPN and look up the fielding stats. Cabrera is 6th among 3rd basemen in fielding percentage. How is that horrible? Trout is 9th on the list of center fielders... I think if he hadn't moved positions and everyone went into the season assuming he would suck there would not be as much desire to highlight the errors.
- I do think that Trout has had a better season in more areas of the game, but I would not be shocked if Cabrera gets the MVP because the Triple Crown is such a unique occurrence. Additionally, I think Cabrera is more valuable to the Tigers than Trout is to the Angels. The Tigers would not be in the playoffs without Cabrera, the Angels would still be watching from home without Trout.
1. Errors aren't the only measure of a player's defensive performance. Alone, its basically useless. Miggy has no range, why should he be rewarded for balls he couldn't
get to? Assume there is 3B 'A' who has above average range and Miggy... Assume 2 identical screamers are hit down the line (this isn't implausible), Miggy would be unable to get to either of them and both balls would be scored as hits. Now assume 3B A who has above average range gets to both balls, on one he makes the play, on the other he doesn't set his feet and his throw sails over the 1B's head. Miggy is now at a 1.0 fielding percentage while 3B A who made an additional out has an error and a .5% fielding percentage.
2. There's really no way to quantify that. But I'll play along, without Trout the Angels might be at the bottom of the AL west- and even if they had the Mariner's record they'd still be in 3rd in the central... And of course we can't forget that the Angels were 6-14 before they called up Trout, 83-59
since. I doubt they go 6-14 if they played Trout in the beginning instead of Vermin "Paid 15 million to hit .230" Wells.
The Triple Crown argument is ridiculous. Josh Hamilton gets a sinus infection and that makes Cabrera the best player in baseball? What even distinguishes those 3 stats as being the most importance besides "historic myth" anyway? I concede that AVG and HR are essentially solely
individual stats, though I believe OBP and slugging% respectively more accurate measure a player's contribution (Trout slightly leads OBP while Cabrera has a 40 point lead on slugging %). But where does baserunning factor in this equation? 49/54 SB is a pretty significant contribution, but it doesn't register in "Triple Crown" talk. Neither does runs scored, nor going from 1st to 3rd on a single (which isn't even a statistic, but is a big deal in terms of effect in a game). My real beef is with RBI though, Trout bats first, he doesn't get the same opportunities Cabrera does to drive in runs. On the flipside, Trout gets more opportunities to be driven
in by others which is reflected in his runs scored stat. Both are incredibly dependent on the performances of others, which is why I don't place particular importance in either.Edited by ConcernedParent - 10/3/12 at 10:32pm