1 in 2 new graduates are jobless or underemployed



deadly7 said:

Apart from your stupid penis envy toward anybody that went to an Ivy, what do state schools have to do with anything?

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umm... i attend ivy
have you ever visited a state school? the academics arent the most compelling to say the least...
they got testing services where they have historical exams for sale for almost every class...
which probably explains why they can party 7 days a week, not go to class ever and still pass school



junior varsity said:

i think the immigrants (and jews) really got it figured out...
be a doctor, lawyer, accountant or an investment banker... (law is gradually getting worse)

those are the only safe routes ...

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Lawyer really doesn't belong on there any more. Should probably add engineer, especially on the "immigrant" vein.

math and physics are useful - only if you can utilize it and get a job being a number cruncher at an investment bank

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There's a lot more to "science" than math and physics (math isn't really even science by the usual metrics). There're huge biological and chemical industries; pharma is one of the single biggest industries in the US. It's just that the recession had convinced many of these companies to temporarily (hopefully) cut back on R&D and focus more on immediate concerns. Still plenty of jobs for engineers, but a lot fewer than normal for scientists. Everyone believes they'll be back, but it's a lot tougher than usual right now.

Getting back to the macro picture, if the only good jobs in this country are "doctor, lawyer, accountant, or i-banker" then we are just screwed as a nation. We gotta be able to develop new products and new technology.



junior varsity said:

umm... i attend ivy
have you ever visited a state school? the academics arent the most compelling to say the least...
they got testing services where they have historical exams for sale for almost every class...
which probably explains why they can party 7 days a week, not go to class ever and still pass school

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Law school is a joke, everyone knows that by now.

Engineering is a broad field, if you narrow it down to Electrical and Chemical, then yes, this is typically good bet.

But you have to realize many people pursuing a BA, in Psychology , English, History et al, are in school for different reasons, which vary.

Some are just trying to meet the by now almost universal requirement of a BA for many entry level jobs that don't really need one, so why would they go through
engineering courses or burden themselves with things they can't handle?

Some are really interested in pursuing a related career and masters degree--I suppose these are the suckers in many of you guys view.

Some don't give a **** and just like to learn because money isn't an issue.

Some don't give a **** because college is just another extended party and money isn't an issue.



deadly7 said:

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Don't worry, JV always sounds like this...he's kind of a dick like that.



junior varsity said:

umm... i attend ivy
have you ever visited a state school? the academics arent the most compelling to say the least...
they got testing services where they have historical exams for sale for almost every class...
which probably explains why they can party 7 days a week, not go to class ever and still pass school

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lol gross generalizations are AWESOME



otc said:

Don't worry, JV always sounds like this...he's kind of a dick like that.

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Didn't he want to buy a beamer or am I thinking of someone else?

Gibonius said:

lol gross generalizations are AWESOME

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shut up you ******* dumbass, you went to a no name school. Your education wasn't as robust as his. he clearly is right!!!!!!!!!! he's a system of the ivies!



bringusingoodale said:

Law school is a joke, everyone knows that by now.
Engineering is a broad field, if you narrow it down to Electrical and Chemical, then yes, this is typically good bet.
But you have to realize many people pursuing a BA, in Psychology , English, History et al, are in school for different reasons, which vary.
Some are just trying to meet the by now almost universal requirement of a BA for many entry level jobs that don't really need one, so why would they go through
engineering courses or burden themselves with things they can't handle?
Some are really interested in pursuing a related career and masters degree--I suppose these are the suckers in many of you guys view.
Some don't give a **** and just like to learn because money isn't an issue.
Some don't give a **** because college is just another extended party and money isn't an issue.

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If you are getting a BA in comm because it's a necessity to get an entry level job... You don't have to get it from GWU, NYU or Brandeis man...
Especially if you aren't from a family with strong financial backgrounds...
That's the problem that partially erupted that stupid OWS debacle.

Ok, you can like to learn but you have to realize stuff costs money.
Easy access to student loans is a double edged sword because it gives people who should go to trade school the ability to rack up serious back crushing debt just because they "like to learn"

What happened to the old days when you were poor and cant pay for it you sucked it up and went to farm or fix cars despite the fact that you "desired learning"



deadly7 said:

shut up you ******* dumbass, you went to a no name school. Your education wasn't as robust as his. he clearly is right!!!!!!!!!! he's a system of the ivies!

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To throw a serious reply in here:

I actually went to two different state schools. For grad school, I went to a huge state school with a big party culture (Playboy's #1 party school one year lolol), and it absolutely had a lower quality of education for undergrads than where I went for my undergrad studies. But yeah, there are plenty of great state schools and they're a freaking bargain compared to the top private schools.

Oddly enough my undergrad public school used to be an Ivy and withdrew. Still have a standing invitation IIRC, but would mean going private and rejoining their athletic conference.



junior varsity said:

What happened to the old days when you were poor and cant pay for it you sucked it up and went to farm or fix cars despite the fact that you "desired learning"

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Actually, in the "old days" college was cheap enough that basically anyone could afford it and if you couldn't, the debt load was much less significant.



Gibonius said:

Actually, in the "old days" college was cheap enough that basically anyone could afford it and if you couldn't, the debt load was much less significant.

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And also way harder I'm guessing ....



Gibonius said:

Actually, in the "old days" college was cheap enough that basically anyone could afford it and if you couldn't, the debt load was much less significant.

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I support a system where house, car, and education should not be financed... With current prices staying the same... It would push a lot of kids to go to trade school so we don't pay $100/hr for a plumber and $80/hr for a car mechanic.

America's over utilization of credit is a major issue. Yes it gives many people opportunities but it's a double edged sword that no one wants to admit.

There should be talent and merit based state provided grants for the genius level kids who are truly gifted

Need based grants should be eliminated and affirmative action should be also diminished.

In my opinion, this is the best way to reform the education system

junior varsity said:

Gibonius said:

Actually, in the "old days" college was cheap enough that basically anyone could afford it and if you couldn't, the debt load was much less significant.

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I support a system where house, car, and education should not be financed... With current prices staying the same... It would push a lot of kids to go to trade school so we don't pay $100/hr for a plumber and $80/hr for a car mechanic.

America's over utilization of credit is a major issue. Yes it gives many people opportunities but it's a double edged sword that no one wants to admit.

There should be talent and merit based state provided grants for the genius level kids who are truly gifted

Need based grants should be eliminated and affirmative action should be also diminished.

In my opinion, this is the best way to reform the education system

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But then all the schools would be full of Asians... :shivers:
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UC Irvine is already called university of Chinese immigrants. lol. Gotta hand it to them people though, when I drive out there I see how their parents are really hard workers, too bad their kids are turning into full blooded Americans in the bad sense....



bringusingoodale said:

But then all the schools would be full of Asians... :shivers:
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UC Irvine is already called university of Chinese immigrants. lol. Gotta hand it to them people though, when I drive out there I see how their parents are really hard workers, too bad their kids are turning into full blooded Americans in the bad sense....

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Well if Asians and Jews have a competitive advantage in academics then so be it?
No one is complaining about how African Americans have a competitive advantage in the nba or nfl is it?

I just feel over utilization and easy access of credit should be stopped



bringusingoodale said:

But then all the schools would be full of Asians... :shivers:
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UC Irvine is already called university of Chinese immigrants. lol. Gotta hand it to them people though, when I drive out there I see how their parents are really hard workers, too bad their kids are turning into full blooded Americans in the bad sense....

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Australia has a system where everyone can get access to real interest free loans for undergrad. That hasn't stopped Chinese kids from making up the majority of all the institutions here.