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Just an example of my experience.




These are my feet on the brannock device. Now I know I'm wearing gym socks in the picture, but my sock of choice for EG shoes are Chups and that brand is actually thicker than what I have on here. As you can tell, I measure about a 10C - 10C/D.

Now originally I blindly followed someone's advice and bought a galway in a UK9.5E. The resulting fit was absolutely awful. Lost a few hundred on the resale.

Then I thought I would try my Alden Barrie size as that seems to be a pretty popular sugestion. Ordered a 9E...the resulting fit was slightly inprooved, yet ultimately still poor. Lost another few hundred on the resale.

So at this point I'm pretty upset with myself and decide to fly to NYC and have a proper fitting done by the fine gentlemen at CitiShoes. We tried various widths and sizes, the process took a couple hours. Ultimately I left feeling confident that the UK8.5E was the best fitting size I could attain and was told that all EG lasts basically fit the same so I should be good to go.

Well...the 82 last and a few others fit wonderfully in that size, but it's definitely not a blanket solution for all of them. In fact my boots fit amazingly but the shoes are kind of meh. I think I could actually size down another half to a UK8 in the 202/606 - time will tell.

The 888 just simply doesn't work for me. The heel cup is too large for my foot. Going down another half size or a width more narrow crushes my foot. I've had to cut my losses with that one.

The moral of this story is that your mileage will definitely vary! Some go .5 size down...others a full...some like me 1.5 or even 2 full sizes down! I hope this was somewhat helpful.

The lasts are dark and full of terrors.
post #27212 of 28896
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Originally Posted by MrVenneri View Post

The moral of this story is that your mileage will definitely vary! Some go .5 size down...others a full...some like me 1.5 or even 2 full sizes down! I hope this was somewhat helpful.

The lasts are dark and full of terrors.

Yes...

Someone on SF said it a while ago so please excuse the paraphrase.. "My favorite shoes? The ones that actually fit me and are comfortable."
post #27213 of 28896
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Originally Posted by MrVenneri View Post

Just an example of my experience.
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These are my feet on the brannock device. Now I know I'm wearing gym socks in the picture, but my sock of choice for EG shoes are Chups and that brand is actually thicker than what I have on here. As you can tell, I measure about a 10C - 10C/D.

Now originally I blindly followed someone's advice and bought a galway in a UK9.5E. The resulting fit was absolutely awful. Lost a few hundred on the resale.

Then I thought I would try my Alden Barrie size as that seems to be a pretty popular sugestion. Ordered a 9E...the resulting fit was slightly inprooved, yet ultimately still poor. Lost another few hundred on the resale.

So at this point I'm pretty upset with myself and decide to fly to NYC and have a proper fitting done by the fine gentlemen at CitiShoes. We tried various widths and sizes, the process took a couple hours. Ultimately I left feeling confident that the UK8.5E was the best fitting size I could attain and was told that all EG lasts basically fit the same so I should be good to go.

Well...the 82 last and a few others fit wonderfully in that size, but it's definitely not a blanket solution for all of them. In fact my boots fit amazingly but the shoes are kind of meh. I think I could actually size down another half to a UK8 in the 202/606 - time will tell.

The 888 just simply doesn't work for me. The heel cup is too large for my foot. Going down another half size or a width more narrow crushes my foot. I've had to cut my losses with that one.

The moral of this story is that your mileage will definitely vary! Some go .5 size down...others a full...some like me 1.5 or even 2 full sizes down! I hope this was somewhat helpful.

The lasts are dark and full of terrors.

Damn, you are defiantly the only person I ever heard sizing down 1.5 or 2 sizes man.. Good to hear your story though.

Since we all sharing our experiences:

I'm US9D on brannock and wear UK8.5E in 82 and UK8E in 202 and 606.
post #27214 of 28896
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Originally Posted by MrVenneri View Post

Now originally I blindly followed someone's advice and bought a galway in a UK9.5E. The resulting fit was absolutely awful. Lost a few hundred on the resale.

Then I thought I would try my Alden Barrie size as that seems to be a pretty popular sugestion. Ordered a 9E...the resulting fit was slightly inprooved, yet ultimately still poor. Lost another few hundred on the resale.

 

Is there some reason you didn't take advantage of the free returns offered by EG?

post #27215 of 28896
Here's something else to consider: the way new shoes fit can be vastly different than the way they will fit after several wears. Break-in, slight to moderate stretching, and compression of the footbed, can all occur. I do not want to alarm anyone, but I would say, shoes that are snug or somewhat uncomfortable because they are stiff, in many cases, will loosen up and be comfortable over time.

I have seen all kinds of mistakes from guys new to EG, who go HAM and acquire several pairs before wearing them for a period of time and refining/ experiencing changes in fit.

In my opinion, EG offers a snug fit compared to the way most American men want their shoes to fit. Moreover, switching between dress socks, athletic socks, and thick Chup or other wool socks will throw a wrinkle in even the most well meaning fit determination session.

If possible, always try on shoes before buying. Short of that, buy from a store that accepts returns. Still not sure of sizing, and cannot afford to try-on shoes in a store, buy subs or used shoes to inform and experiment with sizing at a lower cost. Best of luck.
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Here's something else to consider: the way new shoes fit can be vastly different than the way they will fit after several wears. Break-in, slight to moderate stretching, and compression of the footbed, can all occur. I do not want to alarm anyone, but I would say, shoes that are snug or somewhat uncomfortable because they are stiff, in many cases, will loosen up and be comfortable over time.
 

 

This is everything. My most comfortable shoes now are the ones that were the most snug in the beginning, maybe even painful. The ones I now wear the least "fit well" in the beginning but are now stretched in the wrong places and don't fit. 

 

In my opinion and experience, the key to fitting is getting the heel-to-ball length right. The balls of your feet (or treadline) need to find the bottom of the last as the heel is firmly held in the heel cup. Matching the balls of your feet with the intended bending point of the last is paramount, especially when you're buying shoes as expensive as EG. One of my buddy's has more shoes than he can count, and I'm pretty sure a sizable number of them will be too big once they really break in. 

 

On another sizing related note, big shoutout to @steveyoo1983 for contacting EG and changing the size of my shell Galways! His persistence with EG has me more excited than before, especially now that the size will be more ideal for my feet. 

post #27217 of 28896
Great description of fit RBhan, the ball of the foot is much more important than the toe!

I flirted with the 890, even took her home. There will not be a second date, We have a lack of chemistry

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Also just to add, even a simple length/toe width fit is sometimes not enough.

I have a pair of C&J conistons that 'fit' but give no support to my arch at all. By the end of the day my feet hurt like crazy! Chup socks help a lot but still they don't work for regular wear.
post #27219 of 28896
Also the time of day you measure your feet matters. If I walk a fair bit in a given day my feet will swell quite a bit.
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Gentlemen,

 

If I can comfortably wear a US 11D, then that means I would take EG 888 Last in UK 10.5E.  

 

Is this correct?

 

Thanks.

 

 

I know you're no stranger to this response and I'm positive you've given the same advise yourself...but in all honestly, no one is exempt from the golden rule of shoe fitting.

 

I highly recommend finding a retailer where you can try a myriad of different size and width combinations.

 

I know that's not the answer that anyone wants to hear...but unless you want to end up like me with 2 practically brand new shoes your signature that are certain to merit a net loss of hundreds - it's the only way to go.

 

Hell, I even went through the whole fit vetting process and STILL came out wrong on the 606 last.

 

 

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Originally Posted by smoothie1 View Post

Here's something else to consider: the way new shoes fit can be vastly different than the way they will fit after several wears. Break-in, slight to moderate stretching, and compression of the footbed, can all occur. I do not want to alarm anyone, but I would say, shoes that are snug or somewhat uncomfortable because they are stiff, in many cases, will loosen up and be comfortable over time.
 

 

This is everything. My most comfortable shoes now are the ones that were the most snug in the beginning, maybe even painful. The ones I now wear the least "fit well" in the beginning but are now stretched in the wrong places and don't fit. 

 

In my opinion and experience, the key to fitting is getting the heel-to-ball length right. The balls of your feet (or treadline) need to find the bottom of the last as the heel is firmly held in the heel cup. Matching the balls of your feet with the intended bending point of the last is paramount, especially when you're buying shoes as expensive as EG. One of my buddy's has more shoes than he can count, and I'm pretty sure a sizable number of them will be too big once they really break in. 

 

On another sizing related note, big shoutout to @steveyoo1983 for contacting EG and changing the size of my shell Galways! His persistence with EG has me more excited than before, especially now that the size will be more ideal for my feet. 

 I could not agree more with  @MrVenneri and @rbhan12!  For example, I am US 12 D and even 13 D  (with some shoes) and my most comfortable EG shoes are built on the 202 or 606 last in UK 10.5 F or UK 11 E.  EG shoes built on the 82 and 888 in UK 11 E also fit comfortably.  Does this make sense?  If we go by the advice on this thread:  No.  @MrVenneri is right: Trying many different sizes and lasts is the safest and surest way to go.

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Does anybody have a quick answer to what the width difference might be on a 606E last from 10.5 to 10UK?  Assuming the toe box gets the most constriction, but wondering if overall width remains essentially the same.

Thanks

post #27222 of 28896
Auctioning a pair of EG

If interested let me know

Edward Green 'Laughton' Size 8

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201600214554

Thanks.
post #27223 of 28896
Just received my pair of Dovers from @Leatherfoot today. Absolutely elated with the product and support from the staff.

It turns out I take a UK8 in the 606/202. A full 2 sizes down from my brannock measurement and a half size down from my 82 last size. Crazy stuff.

Ninja caveat: I used to own an older pair of Doak dovers on the 606. The serial was in the 50-60k range indicating they were lasted on the old wooden model. They were a UK8.5E and were cripplingly tight. Even with my thinnest dress sock it was difficult to walk correctly. I would have needed a UK9 and now take a UK8. Same shoe, same last, different production years.
post #27224 of 28896
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Originally Posted by MrVenneri View Post

Just received my pair of Dovers from @Leatherfoot today. Absolutely elated with the product and support from the staff.

It turns out I take a UK8 in the 606/202. A full 2 sizes down from my brannock measurement and a half size down from my 82 last size. Crazy stuff.

Ninja caveat: I used to own an older pair of Doak dovers on the 606. The serial was in the 50-60k range indicating they were lasted on the old wooden model. They were a UK8.5E and were cripplingly tight. Even with my thinnest dress sock it was difficult to walk correctly. I would have needed a UK9 and now take a UK8. Same shoe, same last, different production years.
Preach brother preach you & me lol
post #27225 of 28896
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Originally Posted by MrVenneri View Post

Just received my pair of Dovers from @Leatherfoot today. Absolutely elated with the product and support from the staff.

It turns out I take a UK8 in the 606/202. A full 2 sizes down from my brannock measurement and a half size down from my 82 last size. Crazy stuff.

Ninja caveat: I used to own an older pair of Doak dovers on the 606. The serial was in the 50-60k range indicating they were lasted on the old wooden model. They were a UK8.5E and were cripplingly tight. Even with my thinnest dress sock it was difficult to walk correctly. I would have needed a UK9 and now take a UK8. Same shoe, same last, different production years.

 

 Interesting... thought I was alone

 

I also have a pair of Dovers in 606 (pebble grain) 8 UK and compared to my Dover 8.5 (Gold delapre), the 8.5 feels slightly tighter

 

I sometimes don't quiet understand the EG sizing. Also I had a couple of Galways, both on 82 e, similar leather and one was that much tight I had to reluctantly sell it.

 

Unless you try the shoes beforehand, there is always a risk of misalignment in the 'feel' for a shoe regardless of the last and size.

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