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post #16 of 29
8/29/06 at 12:56am
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Originally Posted by RIDER

interesting site. i want a belt made out of the gridiron leather!
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post #17 of 29
8/29/06 at 1:37am
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Originally Posted by RIDER
The customer service folks might not know more than what the books say, but you cannot make a one piece belt from SC - not big enough...either Horween's or the Japanese tannery's. We buy both and they are the same size - roughly 20 inches.



This is a typical piece.

You can use 'hips' and get the length, but then this is not 'Shell Cordovan' but, well, hips.

http://www.brettunsvillage.com/leather/sides.htm

This supplier gives the proper credit to both 'Shell Cordovan' and 'hips'.


Leave it to the pros like yourself to set the record straight. That sounds right to me!
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post #18 of 29
8/29/06 at 8:11am
I'll donate my belt to Ripley's Believe It Or Not.

I might expect a mis-labeled SC belt from Brighton. But from Allen Edmonds?
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post #19 of 29
8/29/06 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by well-kept
I'll donate my belt to Ripley's Believe It Or Not.

I might expect a mis-labeled SC belt from Brighton. But from Allen Edmonds?


Let's have a picture of the belt? Ripley's requires proof too...
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post #20 of 29
8/29/06 at 1:15pm
Like I'd lie about a belt. (I'm actually laughing as I write this!)

The back is marked as follows: ALLEN EDMONDS 254 Shell Cordovan Fully Leather-Lined Handcrafted in U.S.A. 32/80

To the eye and hand it's an exact match to my three pair of AE shells. If it's horse-hip treated to match shell they did a remarkable job because not only did the belt match the shoes when new, it has aged pretty much identically. Please trust me, it's one piece.
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post #21 of 29
8/29/06 at 1:25pm
Here's one from Brooks Bros.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BROOKS-BROTHER-B...QQcmdZViewItem

I bet it's not made from a single piece of cordovan. What do you think?

In any event, it doesn't seem that good a deal from Ebay.
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post #22 of 29
8/29/06 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by rnoldh
Here's one from Brooks Bros. http://cgi.ebay.com/BROOKS-BROTHER-B...QQcmdZViewItem I bet it's not made from a single piece of cordovan. What do you think? In any event, it doesn't seem that good a deal from Ebay.
See my earlier post in this thread. If it's like those I saw in the BB outlet store for $60-65, it's 3 pieces of shell cordovan sewn onto a calfskin backing and not fitted together especially carefully. I suggest anyone interested email the seller and ask.
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post #23 of 29
8/29/06 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by well-kept
Like I'd lie about a belt. (I'm actually laughing as I write this!)

The back is marked as follows: ALLEN EDMONDS 254 Shell Cordovan Fully Leather-Lined Handcrafted in U.S.A. 32/80

To the eye and hand it's an exact match to my three pair of AE shells. If it's horse-hip treated to match shell they did a remarkable job because not only did the belt match the shoes when new, it has aged pretty much identically. Please trust me, it's one piece.


We trust you. I wanted to see a pic to assess the material, etc. Not because I thought you were telling tales.

If it is cordovan, though, please explain how you get from the picture of a cordovan shell posted above to a belt nearly three feet long? I think the Ockham's Razor explanation here is that it's leather.
EDIT: Here's what Ben Silver says about cordovan. I've read the same elsewhere:

http://www.bensilver.com/style04/styleguide_link4.html
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post #24 of 29
8/29/06 at 2:29pm
Grimslade,
I agree that it's a mystery. Just passing along the facts. And I wondered when I got it how they achieved the length. But AE calls it shell. My eye and hand do the same. Again, if it's another leather treated to resemble shell then AE not only did a great job of imposture but also falsified themselves.
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post #25 of 29
8/29/06 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by well-kept
Like I'd lie about a belt. (I'm actually laughing as I write this!)

The back is marked as follows: ALLEN EDMONDS 254 Shell Cordovan Fully Leather-Lined Handcrafted in U.S.A. 32/80

To the eye and hand it's an exact match to my three pair of AE shells. If it's horse-hip treated to match shell they did a remarkable job because not only did the belt match the shoes when new, it has aged pretty much identically. Please trust me, it's one piece.

I saw and inspected the AE one-piece cordovan belt on Madison. It is indeed marked shell cordovan on the back. I then walked down to Alden. They only have 3-piece cordovan belt. When I told the store owner I saw a one-piece cordovan belt, he got on the phone to the president of Alden.

According to Alden, there is another membrane that runs the length of a horse's hind legs. This is the membrane that might be used for AE's one piece cordovan belt. It is, strictly speaking, not shell cordovan as it is not the same membrane from a horse's rump.
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post #26 of 29
8/29/06 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by kolecho
I saw and inspected the AE one-piece cordovan belt on Madison. It is indeed marked shell cordovan on the back. I then walked down to Alden. They only have 3-piece cordovan belt. When I told the store owner I saw a one-piece cordovan belt, he got on the phone to the president of Alden.

According to Alden, there is another membrane that runs the length of a horse's hind legs. This is the membrane that might be used for AE's one piece cordovan belt. It is, strictly speaking, not shell cordovan as it is not the same membrane from a horse's rump.

Kolecho,

Thanks for backing me on this one.
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post #27 of 29
8/29/06 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by kolecho
I saw and inspected the AE one-piece cordovan belt on Madison. It is indeed marked shell cordovan on the back. I then walked down to Alden. They only have 3-piece cordovan belt. When I told the store owner I saw a one-piece cordovan belt, he got on the phone to the president of Alden.

According to Alden, there is another membrane that runs the length of a horse's hind legs. This is the membrane that might be used for AE's one piece cordovan belt. It is, strictly speaking, not shell cordovan as it is not the same membrane from a horse's rump.

It sounds, then, like the AE "shell" belt is actually a "hips" belt. But it also sounds like it may be close enough not to matter for practical purposes. Mystery solved!
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post #28 of 29
8/29/06 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by RIDER
The customer service folks might not know more than what the books say, but you cannot make a one piece belt from SC - not big enough...either Horween's or the Japanese tannery's. We buy both and they are the same size - roughly 20 inches.



This is a typical piece.

You can use 'hips' and get the length, but then this is not 'Shell Cordovan' but, well, hips.

http://www.brettunsvillage.com/leather/sides.htm

This supplier gives the proper credit to both 'Shell Cordovan' and 'hips'.

Most everyone has heard that cordovan is very popular in Japan. Recently, I have seen many items that are stamped "cordovan" or "horsehide." The "shell" is conspicuously missing. I smelled something fishy, and your comments confirm this.

Bic
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post #29 of 29
10/30/11 at 7:05am
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Most everyone has heard that cordovan is very popular in Japan. Recently, I have seen many items that are stamped "cordovan" or "horsehide." The "shell" is conspicuously missing. I smelled something fishy, and your comments confirm this.

Bic


 

One piece belt mistery is solved here - see post of NHorween:

 

http://www.styleforum.net/t/66697/japanese-cordovan/120#post_1988987

 

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