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post #22951 of 26333
As a former 240 owner, good luck finding one in the northeast that isn't a huge rust bucket. Otherwise they are an amazing platform to do pretty much anything to.

In stock form they'll be a dog in a drag race but are so fun in the twisties. I'm partial to the s13 from 91 to 93. Interiors will likely have cracked dash from UV damage too.

Excellent 5 speed manual to learn on. Make sure it has or you get some decent tires with some life on them too.
post #22952 of 26333
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Saw an M2 in person today. Immediately put down a deposit for one. What a stunning car.

Long Beach Blue
6-Speed
Euro Delivery

Now to play the waiting game.

Nice, I saw one in the gray color today and was very impressed by it in person.
post #22953 of 26333
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Now for the track car...the process is chugging along.

The whole experience of moving here and talking to friends along the way reminded me how much SF obsesses over the material. Cars, shoes, and such are nice, but friends are better. I'm heading up to the north bay tmrw to meet a few friends that do startups and one races professionally for BMW - we all love cars and did our last M euro delivery together. I almost guarantee cars will be less than 5% of our convo.

The broader point was there's stuff you can be passionate about and still take it on the chin if something happens to them.

/sappy

 

Good points, "sappy". Truth though. ;) That said, what are you thinking wrt a track car? :)

 

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I want to learn to drive stick in a car I can enjoy a little. Being able to sell it in a couple of years for about what I paid is a huge plus. That's why I was thinking about the miata.

I like the MR2 as well, but was spooked by talk of snap understeer. Don't know shit about the prelude.

I'd prolly want to mess with the miata asap.

Vader, greddy doesn't have miata turbo kits anymore.

 

If resale is important, dump the mods idea. Just keep it stock, or even better, buy someone's reliable project car. Don't go for the highly modded engine which is only missing the visible fuse to the bomb that will eventually blow up.... 

 

As for snap oversteer, just learn how to drive. :) Seriously, get some proper instruction. A local autocross club should offer schools. Start there. :)

 

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I'll see what I can find.

I hope 27 year old rtc drives better than 21 y.o. Hroi!

 

Remember that boring post I made about driving position? That's coming from a guy who is older than both of you put together. lol!

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Gen 2 MR2 is king if you can get it in that price range. Biased viewpoint but it's a sincere recommendation. The Miata would be my second choice.

Worry about snap oversteer only if you drive cars on public roads like a jackass (i.e. like 21 y/o HRoi)

This.

A guy i know campaigns his daily driver in private owner GT races. And it performs really well.



He holds his own in this, against some hefty japanese muscle.
Bear in mind, they are an epic grip car. To be driven hard and in control.
If Grip an handling are for you? MR2.
If Drift and handling? Miata.
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RTC, I would pick the Turbo, but would recommend either turbo or n/a. I'd extensively driven both during their heyday in the 90's. The n/a is not as quick or mod-able than the turbo, but it had really smooth power delivery (from a Camry engine!), had plenty of power for highway driving, and the transmission/shifter is really great - the clutch take-up is very linear with little effort, the shifter is short and precise, and the driving position is great.

I actually took a peek and am shocked at how expensive and rare the Turbos are (only 3 for sale at cars.com and two have five figure asking prices). Maybe the n/a will be the better bet
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Remember that boring post I made about driving position? That's coming from a guy who is older than both of you put together. lol!
Hehe, just to be clear, 21 y/o me was a long time ago wink.gif
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Oof...if I ever saw that for sale, I don't think I'd be able to resist
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Just throwing this out there. Feel free to throw it back. lol!

 

IME, when it comes to modding a car, engine mods are the last thing to do. Cars come from the factory unable to properly handle the power they have. Braking is meh, suspension definitely sucks, and the driver is often the weakest part of the entire thing. The problem is, the driver is often unaware of how weak that part of the chain is. :)

 

I'll bore you with a couple examples on the racetrack. :) I have 380HP, yet earlier this year when I was at a track driving with a very experienced driver in a new Camaro with 640HP, he was about 1 second faster than me on a 2 minute lap. I was on street tires and he was on R-comps too. If I wasn't too lazy to bolt on my R-comps, I'd be faster than him.

Another time I was driving with a friend with a C63 AMG. He is a better driver than me, but I still caught him in 1/2 a mile, even with his over 500HP.

 

I read an article a while back about the Hellcat with its 707HP. The factory engineer who drove it at Portland International Raceway did a lap in the same time I did when I was very green and on street tires.

 

That's why my focus is on anything but the engine. Like I said, I'm just throwing this out there. :) 

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Source? Because it's been done. A lot it seems.

Might need a better clutch and a rear diff if you do burnouts brah, drift brah, autocross, or race, but... Not from what I've read?

Also the turbo kits to 240 cost under 5k if you buy one ready to go instead of building up.

 

Personal experience from ~190 HP to ~280 HP.  I can remember axles off the top of my head but I seemed to need some part every few weeks.  This was on a car that was 4 years old at the time, not nearing 20.  I still stand by my comment on you spending a lot to keep it going and as someone pointed out, if you are worried about ~$3,000 in resale, go fast parts should be left alone.

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This also popped up recently, probably a terrible idea? Thoughts?
92 BMW 325IC with 170k for 2700. Car makes decent power and has decent reviews. Looks like it was pretty well taken care of. Could have it looked over as well. 

http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/5643881252.html

 

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Personal experience from ~190 HP to ~280 HP.  I can remember axles off the top of my head but I seemed to need some part every few weeks.  This was on a car that was 4 years old at the time, not nearing 20.  I still stand by my comment on you spending a lot to keep it going and as someone pointed out, if you are worried about ~$3,000 in resale, go fast parts should be left alone.

 

Fair enough, if I were to do it, I'd research the snot out of it first and do a compression test and all that good stuff and do pretty much the mildest thing I could.

Honestly, the point of this is to learn to drive stick on a fun-ish car.  From everything I've read from people doing this to these cars including the older ones, it seems like it can handle quite a bit more power than it comes with from the factory. Obviously there are things you have to throw in at each step. I would consider doing more than just the bolt on stuff if I was planning on selling my bike and using that money to fund fun with the toy. It wouldn't happen till I had a firm handle on atleast driving the damn thing. There are a lot of fun back roads around here in MA and I see quite a few miatas out when I ride my bike. 

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RTC, I would pick the Turbo, but would recommend either turbo or n/a. I'd extensively driven both during their heyday in the 90's. The n/a is not as quick or mod-able than the turbo, but it had really smooth power delivery (from a Camry engine!), had plenty of power for highway driving, and the transmission/shifter is really great - the clutch take-up is very linear with little effort, the shifter is short and precise, and the driving position is great.

I actually took a peek and am shocked at how expensive and rare the Turbos are (only 3 for sale at cars.com and two have five figure asking prices). Maybe the n/a will be the better bet
Hehe, just to be clear, 21 y/o me was a long time ago wink.gif

 

I'm finding NA MR2's for like 3500-4500 in reasonable condition. Any cheaper and they're rattle canned or some other crap. 
This is the only one I found that looks like a reasonable cost and it's a barn find with an exhaust leak. 

https://newhaven.craigslist.org/cto/5643885044.html

 

This one looks decent, but is 4500; https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5573918510.html

 

Then there's this fiero lol
https://nh.craigslist.org/cto/5633455872.html

 

For 3k, 85 300zx: https://southcoast.craigslist.org/cto/5610651660.html


Edited by ridethecliche - 6/23/16 at 9:08am
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I know this thread doesn't talk about budget cars or purchases like I'm looking to do right now, but I've honestly really enjoyed everyone's input here.

I feel like a lot of the cars I'm looking at right now were the 'IT' cars that were within reach for many of you in the 80's and 90's. It's really interesting to hear about your experiences with them and the memories that go along with them.
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I'll bore you with a couple examples on the racetrack

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The answer here is that only one of all these drivers had a GT3 wink.gif
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Good points, "sappy". Truth though. wink.gif That said, what are you thinking wrt a track car? smile.gif


If resale is important, dump the mods idea. Just keep it stock, or even better, buy someone's reliable project car. Don't go for the highly modded engine which is only missing the visible fuse to the bomb that will eventually blow up.... 

As for snap oversteer, just learn how to drive. smile.gif Seriously, get some proper instruction. A local autocross club should offer schools. Start there. smile.gif


Remember that boring post I made about driving position? That's coming from a guy who is older than both of you put together. lol!

Considering my daily driver will have 800+ HP and 800+ ft-lb, I assure you the track car (which I alluded to in a previous post), won't be boring. wink.gif

Snap oversteer is an issue because it fundamentally says a car is unbalanced. The same can be said of other things like many regular cars understeer. A normal road car should be neutral.

I exclude many fast cars from that criteria, but you need to be at least at 911 level.
Edited by ramuman - 6/23/16 at 9:30am
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It's 'cars we drive', and the recent vibe has been great. There are great ones across all price points. The experience is what matters. None of us on here are Bill Gates.
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I think we talk about all kinds of cars here. And I love spending other people's money biggrin.gif

When I was a teenager I told my dad that I was someday going to have a garage with an MR2, M3, 911 and F355 in it. His response was, "why do you torture yourself with unattainable dreams?" I know now that he knew me well and was just giving me extra motivation, but it pissed me off at the time.

So after I got my first job, I got the MR2. The payments killed me - little credit history, insurance for a 21 yo driving a 2-seat sports car, etc. but I got my first dream car! I put this crazy 600w sound system in it with the subwoofers 12 inches from the back of my head, breathing mods, suspension and 17" wheels. Stuffed it backwards into a wall, fixed it, and kept driving.

Very reluctantly sold it when I went to grad school full time. Wish I could buy it back.
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I want to have a beer with @HRoi and a glass of wine with @Piobaire
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