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Teacher · Feb 8, 2010

Originally Posted by why

I didn't say it had anything to do with 'diction, spelling, grammar, etc.' I said the opposite, in fact. RP is not 'basically unused'. It is the standard accent taught to non-native English speakers. Hell, it's even called 'BBC English' (cf. 'Walter Cronkite English' in America as an offshoot).

No, BBC English is not RP. They're derived from different accents. RP is is more Kentish, while BBC English -- the more modern of the two -- is derived from the "University English" of the area surrounding London (Oxford, Cambridge, etc.) As for diction, spelling and grammar, I'll repeat: you equated Commonwealth English -- which IS mostly about diction and spelling -- and RP, and they are not the same thing.

They're digraphs now (generally, at least in RP and GA especially when followed by rhotics). Some words in some dialects have smoothed out the dipthongs to single vowel sounds without changing the spelling (e.g. 'about' in parts of Canada). Most English speakers, oddly enough, preserve some falling dipthongs while most others were smoothed to a single vowel.

The Canadian example you quote is still a dipthong; it is pronounced by most Anglo Canadians as /Λu/, roughly. But the previous words you were talking about were never dipthongs in English, only French. The diagraphs were used simply to show French origin (as opposed to words from Latin, like governor, which have rarely been spelled '-our'), not English pronunciation.

edinatlanta · Feb 8, 2010

After Franny's latest outburst in CE, can we just get rid of him once and for all (forum wise)?

Edit: is the "don't make requests for banning" rule in place for this Trans Mod threak or just the old one?

unjung · Feb 8, 2010

Originally Posted by edinatlanta

After Franny's latest outburst in CE, can we just get rid of him once and for all (forum wise)?

Link?

edinatlanta · Feb 8, 2010

From the RIP Murtha threak:

Originally Posted by Artisan Fan

Good riddance. A true *************.

MrG · Feb 8, 2010

Originally Posted by edinatlanta

From the RIP Murtha threak:

It was a nasty thing to say, and I'm disappointed AF felt the need to say it, rather than remain silent. I think AF is a nice guy (and I've met him IRL), but it's unfortunate to me that he made that statement. That said, I thought Fuuma made a really good point later in the thread, and I think it's a fair argument against penalizing AF. Moreover, I don't see how not sharing the popular reverence for the dead should be a bannable offense.

Bhowie · Feb 8, 2010

I dont think what Fran said was that bad. :roma:

why · Feb 8, 2010

Originally Posted by Teacher

No, BBC English is not RP. They're derived from different accents. RP is is more Kentish, while BBC English -- the more modern of the two -- is derived from the "University English" of the area surrounding London (Oxford, Cambridge, etc.) As for diction, spelling and grammar, I'll repeat: you equated Commonwealth English -- which IS mostly about diction and spelling -- and RP, and they are not the same thing.

'Commonwealth English' isn't even a real term outside of this forum. I used it to refer to what JustinW mentioned.

As for BBC English/RP: what? Firstly, the OED uses RP for its pronunciation model. Secondly, 'BBC English' used RP as a model since its inception.

http://journals.cambridge.org/action...ine&aid=267052

Originally Posted by Teacher

But the previous words you were talking about were never dipthongs in English, only French. The diagraphs were used simply to show French origin (as opposed to words from Latin, like governor, which have rarely been spelled '-our'), not English pronunciation.

This doesn't make sense, since words from Normal French or Latin which lacked a dipthong are spelled by Chaucher and others as if they had one (governour, reportour) and the phonetic spelling of French loanwords include the dipthongs from people like the Sir Gawain and the Green Knight poet (odour) and William Langland (doctour).

Manton · Feb 8, 2010

I am not in favor of banning the fran, but this is hardly some isolate slip. He has a long history of saying really gross inappropriate things about corpses that are still warm.

Douglas · Feb 8, 2010

Originally Posted by MAnton

corpses that are still warm.

good riddance. true pieces of ****.

MrG · Feb 8, 2010

I don't think it was "bad," but it was nasty. I just find it better to avoid negative comments about people who have recently died, especially when it's easier to simply not make a statement at all. If someone had asked AF what he thought I would say he's at no fault for expressing his opinion. However, the nice thing about an internet forum is that we can simply move on to the next thread. There was no reason AF had to come into that thread and say something nasty; he could have let the Dems have their circle jerk. The fact that he made a point of posting is what is bothersome to me, as he was essentially going out of his way to piss on Murtha's grave.

RJman · Feb 8, 2010

Frankly, Af is one of my favorite Atlantans on the forum.

gdl203 · Feb 8, 2010

Originally Posted by MrG

he could have let the Dems have their circle jerk
I'm not sure that's appropriate behaviour over a warm corpse either.

Piobaire · Feb 8, 2010

I really wish people would just pass on making negative comments in obit threads and I've said this many times previously. It seems to me that AF is far from the only person to take swipes at the recently dead in these threads. I wish everyone would just STFU in the obit thread. Anywhere else is fair game but show a little restraint in the obits. It would be unfair to single AF out for doing this however.

why · Feb 8, 2010

How about no obituary threads then? CE, as has been said before, is not a news aggregator.

itsstillmatt · Feb 8, 2010

Originally Posted by RJman

Frankly, Af is one of my favorite Atlantans on the forum.
What do you think about paraiso? He is an honorary Atlantan. Whnay is good.

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