Desperate need of fashion advice

Originally Posted by emakris

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I'm sorry to say this but what you are describing is really dreadful. Not only you do not wash your hair daily but you also use hair products which, presumably, leave all sorts of residue!

I suggest you first tackle your personal hygiene. Apologies if sounding rude but you need to wash yourself on a daily basis at the very least. Washing one's self implies the inclusion of a variety of soap products (conditioner is not a replacement for shampoo and is also pretty useless, in my opinion).

I agree. First step: personal hygiene. If you don't smell good, no girl is coming close

Originally Posted by emakris

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I'm sorry to say this but what you are describing is really dreadful. Not only you do not wash your hair daily but you also use hair products which, presumably, leave all sorts of residue! I suggest you first tackle your personal hygiene. Apologies if sounding rude but you need to wash yourself on a daily basis at the very least. Washing one's self implies the inclusion of a variety of soap products (conditioner is not a replacement for shampoo and is also pretty useless, in my opinion).
You make it sound like I have lice or ticks crawling all over me. To clarify, I have done a little bit of research, and have discovered your hair produces natural oils which actually helps your hair's health. Just think of cats, dogs, or any animal with fur. Washing away such oils actually makes them smell BAD in the long run, hence why you only do it occasionally. Otherwise, I do shower everyday, rub my body down with soap, and all that other good stuff. I do wash my hair too, but just not as often with shampoo, though I do wash it with shampoo if I feel like I need to, such as after working out or going to the city. Hair gel is not pomade. Pomade is a kind of hair wax, which makes your hair a slightly bit greasy, but that's how it helps to form the hair. Hair gel is what makes hair hard, crusty, and leaves a long of flakes when it starts to fall apart. I also use conditioner to make my hair softer. Dunno how many of you out there are Asian, but Asian hair is tough, rigid, coarse, etc. Ever see a white guy's hair vs Asian hair? Notice how the white guy's hair seems to flow a lot more freely while the Asian guy's hair is more formed and styled? That's cause the Asian guy's hair would look stupid otherwise. Oligarch Yes, I have read The Game, quite a good read. Pretty riveting towards the end. Though something did come up. I go to a school where it's winter 90% of the year (pretty crap weather where I go). What's a good kind of fall-ish jacket? I have seen a few of my friends wear a tan jacket with wool lining/insides, and the material is made out of I believe corduroy. What are these called?

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Originally Posted by voxsartoria

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AsianChump, in only eight posts, you have provided...and elicited...outstanding content, including my post earlier in this thread.

I hereby petition the moderators of this forvm to grant our new junior member, AsianChump, immediate and irrevocable Senior Member status, with all fees waived.

AC: congratulations and, again, welcome.


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Ummm....thanks (?).

hey i am also a 20 year old asian male that goes to a school with 90% winter!

first, come up with a list of beautiful things that you want. you can do this by browsing runway shows from men.style.com, checking out designer websites, going to your local saks or nm, etc.

second, get a job

third, buy those things. they will be expensive, so try to get em on sale.

AsianChump, try this part of StyleForum instead -- I think it's more in line with what you're going for. http://www.styleforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=13 Browse the stickied threads ("WAYWT Discussion", etc) and learn.

Some good advice here. If I were you this is what I'd buy, in this order (and starting from scratch):

1) 2 or 3 good polo t-shirts, preferably Fred Perry or Lacoste. Get one in plain navy blue, one in white and one in a brighter color (green, red etc). Make sure they fit snug on you (though not TOO tight) and whatever you do, do not buy any loose fitting/generic polo shirts (often with stripes). The subtle difference between a well-fitted polo t-shirt and a generic, loose 99% population shirt is HUGE.

2) Buy 2 pais of decent jeans. This is easy - you can get good jeans everywhere these days. Get one in a darker denim blue and one in a lighter shade. Avoid any ripped/overly styled (I.e. with dragon designs on the thighs or weird stitching/buttons on the backside). The fit is crucial. Go for tighter than you're probably used to. Almost so it's uncomfortable - a good pair of jeans will expand in time. Don't get boot-cut, get something slimmer but no drain-pipe legs.

3) Shoes: buy 1 pair of Lacoste sneakers as has been mentioned already; buy one pair of EITHER deck shoes like Sperry/Timberland OR Desert Boots (J Crew do a line called McAlister which is a good alternative to Clarkes or a similar altervative (I have a pair of now discontinued sude tobacco brown Vans which resemble Clarkes Wallabes which are discontinued). This is your 'bridge' shoe between the sneaker and the loafer for casual occasions, but smarter than a sneaker, basically your everday shoe. The sort of shoe you could wear to work in many places. Make sure the shoes match to the jeans. Dark brown suede goes very well against a darker denim color. Whatever you do, don't buy any sneakers that look like this:



This is the quintessential 'follow the crowd' generic kind of shoe.

4) Shirts: go to J Crew and buy 3 or 4 regular casual shirts. One in white, maybe a simple white/blue striped one, maybe a linen one with epaulets etc. Buy one more dressy shirt. They always have a ton of stuff on sale so this is easy. Again - get the right fit. The shirts should be snug on you. I'm willing to bet like 99% of the rest of the population you wear ill-fitting, too-loose shirts at the moment. Buy a nice and well-fitted short-sleeve shirt too.

5) I'd skip the Chinos altogether - they are more something I'd asscoiate with work-wear and with the right jeans you don't need them anyway.

6) Blazer/jacket: again start at J Crew for this. It has to fit well again. Go for a a simple 2 button jacket.

7) You don't need a suit yet from the sound of it.

8) Buy a pair of loafers - preferably brown sude/leather. Don't get square-toe - it's too close to 'mainstream' America. You may have to splurge on this upwards of $150 but it's worth it. Something that looks like this:



Don't get any loafers that are too bulky.

9) Don't buy lace-ups yet as you won't wear them and it could be an expensive mistake if you got the wrong pair.

10) Contrary to opinion, you CAN have some nice T-shirts in the stable. Just make sure you get well-fitted ones with decent colors/designs. Part of the reason is that you can now pull off the T-shirt under the blazer look with jeans/sneakers which is a good 'bridge' look for you.

11) Get a watch if you don't already have one. The details really do count and you don't have to spend a lot. Get something like this for $45:

http://www.timex.com/gp/product/B000...=core&v=glance

Following the advice in this thread you will go from AsianChump to AsianCHAMP in no time.

Awesome help, Pennywise, though the deck shoes appear closer in appearance to loafers, so I might as well just jump into those.

So are suede loafers the way to go?
Also, anyone know anything about the fall jacket I mentioned earlier?

And this is a big one for me: washing clothing and shrinkage. I usually end up with weird results whenever I wash clothing (yes, I do follow the instructions, but my school recently went "green" and all we get is cold water). If I was trying to buy nice fitting clothes and jeans, should I buy something one size larger and hope they shrink to my fit or is there some other way?

In my experience, washing clothes correctly shouldn't shrink them. I think jeans can withstand the most washing without effect (aside from fading over time which is ok for the most part). I'd be wary of putting anything woolen in a washing machine - all my sweaters etc go to the dry cleaners. If in doubt wash on a cold/delicate cycle. Anything on a hot wash could cause shrinkage. Shirts are ok to put through a washing machine though you can damage the fabric. Sometimes it's better to hand them in to a dry-cleaner to be professionally cleaned.

I think suede loafers are more versatile, though some will probably tell you to get leather instead. As long as you get the right shoe it won't make that much difference though. Suede will be more prone to stains/wear/weather etc so you should bear that in mind. Deck shoes are a great start before the loafers. Spend some time looking in to it and you'll soon be able to tell the difference between the generic, gaudy stuff and the better designed, nicer stuff.

Loafers, classic sneaker( white and black), buy a new pair of jeans that fit great, plain t shirts, solid polo, and a crew neck sweater. These are safe starting points and continue to do what your doing, browsing the web to find suitable looks for YOU, and make them your own. At twenty don't be afraid to try different looks be transitional but always lean toward classic in styling, and have fun. http://www.russbheez.com

So I went out today and got myself two pairs of jeans and a graphic tee (yes, I know, but it just looks cool and I'm slowly making the transition) I was also going to buy a white polo, but thought about the loafers. Loafers are brown in color, wouldn't wearing a white shirt or anything bright kind of diminish the overall outfit? And I've seen several long sleeve button up shirts with vertical striping on them, are they complimentary to the jeans? Sorry, I don't have pics for those, but they're usually the cliched looking striped button up shirts. One of my biggest concerns are that the jeans are cotton, not denim (unless I was bamboozled for years) and that they would shrink. They fit nicely now, but, again, shrinking would completely kill the jeans and make them unwearable. Rate my buy? EDIT: Images too big, didn't realize my phone was beastly like that.

I think those jeans look awful. They look really baggy and I hate how faded they are. They look like dad jeans. Can't say I like the graphic t shirt either. There is nothing wrong with wearing a white shirt and brown loafers.