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post #14596 of 17730
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Probably hard to find. I doubt many people save those.

there lies the problem.
post #14597 of 17730
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

I used to be of the school that Burg was not meant to age but the last few years my opinion has evolved. I think also that the style of winemaking is more F-U these days, a lot of producers don't care if their wines show little in the early years. It's the opposite trend to what has happened in much of Bordeaux.

I've kinda settled on the middle ground myself. To my taste most seem to peak around 8 to 10. I like getting the case and sampling over a course of years. I have friends that sit on their stuff forever but personally I like sampling the change and saving the last 5 or 6 for the peak.
post #14598 of 17730
My experience with Burg has mostly been that if you drink them too young there is little downside, they still show a great deal. With Bordeaux and Cab, though, I am really loathe to open them until I am reasonably sure they are "ready."

So, with Burg, I have a hard time waiting because I can be pretty sure I won't have a bad experience. My experience with the '05s though has been universal: none of them are ready, even at the village level. I leave to others to say whether they will ever come around.
post #14599 of 17730
Burg will break your heart. That said, I need to try that Bachelet you guys are all raving about.
post #14600 of 17730
For the past 2 or 3 years, I've found the "Burgundy is a landmine with so many duds" statements to be not reflective of the actual market. Or maybe I have superior luck at the stores (doubtful).
post #14601 of 17730
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My experience with the '05s though has been universal: none of them are ready, even at the village level. I leave to others to say whether they will ever come around.

David says they will, but what does that guy know?
post #14602 of 17730
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

David says they will, but what does that guy know?

We've already heard expert testimony about this so why do you continue to question it? confused.gif

I think you have access to wines most of us in fly over country lack and that's why you have greater success. You can go to the stores, chat people up, and have generally the best stock in the US to pick from. Many of us live in Burg wine deserts. frown.gif
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I think you have access to wines most of us in fly over country lack and that's why you have greater success. You can go to the stores, chat people up, and have generally the best stock in the US to pick from. Many of us live in Burg wine deserts. frown.gif

I've pondered this, but I'm not buying vats of Musigny or Richebourg Echezeauxs (the former is rare and expensive, the latter is so rare that it doesn't exist). Even Drouhin's $20 CdN is very serviceable, easy to find, and far from a dud. A random $26 Geverey-Chambertin is probably going to be lame, so I haven't been buying them.
post #14604 of 17730
However, I would say that of the producers David identifies as consistently good, the only one that will be widely available for reasonable (for Burg) prices is Drouhin. The others are too small and too niche to make it into any but the largest and most wine-crazed markets.
post #14605 of 17730
I generally have not had bad experiences with Burgundies.
post #14606 of 17730
But you also live where there is a superior collection plus, no matter what a poster here thinks of your wine knowledge, I know it's pretty vast. For schlubs like me I'm both shooting in the (semi) dark and my sample universe is likely to be far inferior than yours.

You know...I just convinced myself Burg is for coastal elites!
post #14607 of 17730
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I generally have not had bad experiences with Burgundies.
Well, there are bad experiences, and there are "Well, this is OK, competently made, but thin and dull for the price." I've had more than my share of the latter.
post #14608 of 17730
the biggest "fear" is a wine that's a little dull. My list of wine error reads something like: dull < lack of depth < over extracted < awful value < WAY out of balance < out of balance + any of the others listed
post #14609 of 17730
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

I generally have not had bad experiences with Burgundies.

This is a joke, right? confused.gif
post #14610 of 17730
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Well, there are bad experiences, and there are "Well, this is OK, competently made, but thin and dull for the price." I've had more than my share of the latter.


This. Most duds are ok and drinkable but don't match their price. Where it gets annoying is when they don't reflect the terroir.
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