Still Need Help with Scafora Order [Edited Thread]

[pledge]

Hello,

Thank you all for your replies. I had the opportunity to speak to Paolo at the end of last week about my RTW three-eyelet wholecut I will be placing on order. He is certainly a very pleasant man, but hurried at times, and it was not until I hung-up the telephone that I realized that I had forgotten to ask very basic questions. If you do have experience with Scafora shoes, please take a moment and reply.

I initially sent Paolo a picture of the show pictured here and told him to please replicate this shoe.

As you can see, the wholecut has a Norvegese-stitched sole, but I also remember Paolo remarking to himself that the sole was "triple layer". If I am correct, there is a "double layer" as well. And presumably, a Goodyear welt is built on a single sole. For those who have opted for the Norvegese-stitiching, have you chosen the double-sole or triple-sole?

Finally, if I were to order the shoe in a standard Goodyear-welt, with bevelled/fiddle-back waist, is there likely to be a significant up-charge for the sole treatment? I still cannot get a firm price quote, but I believe the Norvegese-stitched wholecut was around EUR 1100, which is just below price for Scafora bespoke.

Since bespoke is not an option now, I have only three choices:

1. Wholecut shoe just as pictured, Norvegese-stitched, triple sole
2. Wholecut shoe just as pictured, Norvegese-stitched, double sole
3. Wholecut shoe on Goodyear-welt with bevelled/fiddled waist


-pledge

 

[BrooklynWeGoHard]

Originally Posted by pledge

Hello,

I am placing my first order with Paolo later tonight and was hoping for some feedback from those of you who have already ordered from him. I have already decided on the three-eyelet wholecut featured on his website under "Collezioni".

On the second row from the left, the top picture features three wholecuts, each with different antiquing. I have already decided on the middle wholecut. The shoes can be seen here:

http://www.scafora.it/collezioni/pag/stris.htm

If I want the shoe just as pictured, my question is whether the middle model has Norvegese stitching, or just Goodyear stitching? Do any of the three wholecuts have Norvegese stitching? The latter method is significantly more expensive than the standard Goodyear.

Also, aside from the elegance of Norvegese-stitched soles, are they in any way superior to their Goodyear-stitched counterparts in terms of construction?

Finally, do you have to specify the type of waist/sole you want on your shoes? Will Paolo do a fiddlebacki waist a la G&G, or would that be in appropriate on this model?

Thank you so much in advance for any comments or feedback!!

-pledge

all three have Norvegese stitching. good luck, my son

 

[bengal-stripe]

Originally Posted by pledge

Also, aside from the elegance of Norvegese-stitched soles, are they in any way superior to their Goodyear-stitched counterparts in terms of construction?

That is more a question of taste. Italians are rather fond of this construction as it shouts: 'Hand-made'. It makes a very solid and heavy shoe.
If your feet are on the wide/large side, it might not be the best choice.

Originally Posted by pledge

Finally, do you have to specify the type of waist/sole you want on your shoes? Will Paolo do a fiddlebacki waist a la G&G, or would that be in appropriate on this model?

"˜Norvegese' construction (with the upper leather folded out) is not compatible with a bevelled or fiddle-back waist:

Detail of "˜Norvegese' on a Lattanzi shoe.

 

[pledge]

Originally Posted by bengal-stripe

That is more a question of taste. Italians are rather fond of this construction as it shouts: 'Hand-made'. It makes a very solid and heavy shoe.
If your feet are on the wide/large side, it might not be the best choice.



"˜Norvegese' construction (with the upper leather folded out) is not compatible with a bevelled or fiddle-back waist:

Detail of "˜Norvegese' on a Lattanzi shoe.

Thank you for your replies.

bengal-stripe,
My feet do tend to run full but why might that make them incompatible with Norvegese stitching. I assume from reading your post that I have to choose between Norvegese construction and a bevelled or fiddle-back waist. Which would you choose? Thanks for the taking the time to read my post.

 

[turbotol]

If I may ask, how much do the norwegian constructed wholecuts cost? Thank you.

 

[pledge]

Originally Posted by turbotol

If I may ask, how much do the norwegian constructed wholecuts cost? Thank you.

Are you asking for bespoke or RTW? RTW is between EUR 1000 and EUR 1100.

 

[bengal-stripe]

Originally Posted by pledge

My feet do tend to run full but why might that make them incompatible with Norvegese stitching. I assume from reading your post that I have to choose between Norvegese construction and a bevelled or fiddle-back waist. Which would you choose?

It is not a question of compatibility but of looks, aesthetics and personal taste. On a shoe in Norvegese construction, or a 'Goiserer' welt in Austro/Hungary, or a storm welt in England you have that extended welt/sole running around the shoe like an additional ramp or balcony.

So the shoe is actually broader as another design with a closely-cut welt and if your feet are wide, they will look wider still. You might like the look.

A bevelled and a fiddle-back waist aim to make the welt disappear and therfore cuts the welt as narrow as possible (at least in the waist section). A narrow welt is one school of aesthetics, a wide welt is another school.

It doesn't matter what I would prefer, you will have to decide what you want.

 

[pabloj]

Originally Posted by pledge

... aside from the elegance of Norvegese-stitched soles, ...
elegance? Or lack of it?

 

[ThinkDerm]

what ever happened with this? ever get the shoes done? are rtw really 1000 eur?

 

[pledge]

Originally Posted by ThinkDerm

what ever happened with this? ever get the shoes done? are rtw really 1000 eur?

sorry for the delayed reply. i have been trying to get in touch with paolo ever since he came back to the shoppe at the beginning of September. i finally got him on the telephone, and asked him about the status of my shoes. he didn't know, and i haven't been able to reach him since. i am going to try again tomorrow. i am concerned about the sizing. i ordered a size 7.5, but didn't recieve much guidance from Paolo. anyone familiar with sizing of Scafora RTW?

he did mention to me that he will be in New York from the 20th-25th of September. when i asked about bespoke pricing, he quoted $1,950, but said that he would have to confirm. if so, his prices seem to have increased. i will update this thread if i get any more information.

 

[ThinkDerm]

Originally Posted by pledge

sorry for the delayed reply. i have been trying to get in touch with paolo ever since he came back to the shoppe at the beginning of September. i finally got him on the telephone, and asked him about the status of my shoes. he didn't know, and i haven't been able to reach him since. i am going to try again tomorrow. i am concerned about the sizing. i ordered a size 7.5, but didn't recieve much guidance from Paolo. anyone familiar with sizing of Scafora RTW?

he did mention to me that he will be in New York from the 20th-25th of September. when i asked about bespoke pricing, he quoted $1,950, but said that he would have to confirm. if so, his prices seem to have increased. i will update this thread if i get any more information.

did you pay him already?

 

[pledge]

Originally Posted by ThinkDerm

did you pay him already?

50% deposit, not including shipping. why? do you think i overpaid? he seems reputable, but i wish he were more reliable. i am actually considering making a trip to New York for a pair of bespoke. are you still considering ordering a pair of RTW?