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razl

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(Quick note, my intent isn't to argue global warming/climate change, but only to point out people who misrepresent conservative viewpoints on it; like you're doing. It's s standard left-wing tactic and deserves rebuke.)

Yeah, **** those scientists. What do they know? I have this graph that was made in MS Paint to prove it!


Eh? The graph is from scientistific data that came from the GISP2 Greenland ice core samples - the same samples cited by the IPCC/NOAA who claim AGW. See the IPCC/NOAA brief here: "The GISP2 ice core record - Paleoclimate Highlights" - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/greenland/summit/document/gispinfo.htm ).

Here's a snippet from the ack's - you'll note a lot of Dr's of Scientific departments/orgs.

GISP2 is part of the Office of Polar Programs, National Science Foundation Arctic System Science (ARCSS) initiative. GISP2 science was coordinated by the GISP2 Science Management Office, University of New Hampshire (Dr. P.A. Mayewski, Director; Mr. Michael Morrison, Associate Director (1989-1993); Mr. Mark S. Twickler, Associate Director (1993-1999).
The GISP2 ice core was drilled by the Polar Ice Coring Office, University of Alaska (Dr. John Kelley, Director; Mr. Mark Wumkes, Chief Driller). The core is archived at the National Ice Core Laboratory, Denver Federal Center, United States Geological Survey; Dr. J.J. Fitzpatrick, Technical Director.

GISP2 convened PI meetings at least once every year during the duration of the project. In addition, two joint meetings were held between GRIP and GISP2 in Annecy, France (1993) and Wolfeboro, New Hampshire, USA (1995). The second joint meeting was used to compare results prior to submission to the JGR Special Issue.

Approximately 70% of all GISP2 sample processing was undertaken in the field. Archive samples (~30% of the full core) are stored at the National Ice Core Laboratory (NICL) in Denver, CO.

The GISP2 Executive Committee:

Dr. R.B. Alley (1994-1997)
Dr. P.A. Mayewski (1989-1997, Chair)
Dr. P.M. Grootes (1989-1997)
Dr. M. Wahlen (1989-1997)
The GISP2 Advisory Committee Includes:

Dr. J. Andrews (1994-1997)
Dr. C. Bentley (1989-1997)
Dr. W. Broecker (1989-1997, Chair)
Dr. G. Denton (1991-1997)
Dr. J. Imbrie (1989-1997)
Dr. S. Lehman (1994-1997)
 
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Piobaire

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the consumer has the option find/request/purchase vaccines that have no mercury based preservatives pretty easily here in the US. that pretty much invalidates the majority of the anti-vaccine zealots arguments. if they still want to rant after hearing there are options that exclude mercury preservatives then they will have to deal with the outcome.


You would say that as a cog in the Western SICKNESS industry!
 

ethanm

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Look, here is a graph that totally disagrees with your graph. A lay person trying to interpret all of this is ridiculous and claiming to know what's going on or having an opinion with any kind of conviction is absurd.




It boils down to regulation in lieu of man-made climate change being bad for business so anathema to conservatives. Liberals say **** your business let's save the planet. It's that simple.
 
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Piobaire

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A lay person trying to interpret all of this is ridiculous and claiming to know what's going on or having an opinion with any kind of conviction is absurd.


So you have no opinion with any kind of conviction, right?
 

ethanm

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So you have no opinion with any kind of conviction, right?

My opinion is that having one is stupid unless you are a climate scientist or in a closely related field
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I have my opinions on the Army and sailing.
 
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Fang66

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(Quick note, my intent isn't to argue global warming/climate change, but only to point out people who misrepresent conservative viewpoints on it; like you're doing. It's s standard left-wing tactic and deserves rebuke.)

Yeah, **** those scientists. What do they know? I have this graph that was made in MS Paint to prove it!


Eh? The graph is from scientistific data that came from the GISP2 Greenland ice core samples - the same samples cited by the IPCC/NOAA who claim AGW. See the IPCC/NOAA brief here: "The GISP2 ice core record - Paleoclimate Highlights" - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/greenland/summit/document/gispinfo.htm ).

Here's a snippet from the ack's - you'll note a lot of Dr's of Scientific departments/orgs.

GISP2 is part of the Office of Polar Programs, National Science Foundation Arctic System Science (ARCSS) initiative. GISP2 science was coordinated by the GISP2 Science Management Office, University of New Hampshire (Dr. P.A. Mayewski, Director; Mr. Michael Morrison, Associate Director (1989-1993); Mr. Mark S. Twickler, Associate Director (1993-1999).
The GISP2 ice core was drilled by the Polar Ice Coring Office, University of Alaska (Dr. John Kelley, Director; Mr. Mark Wumkes, Chief Driller). The core is archived at the National Ice Core Laboratory, Denver Federal Center, United States Geological Survey; Dr. J.J. Fitzpatrick, Technical Director.

GISP2 convened PI meetings at least once every year during the duration of the project. In addition, two joint meetings were held between GRIP and GISP2 in Annecy, France (1993) and Wolfeboro, New Hampshire, USA (1995). The second joint meeting was used to compare results prior to submission to the JGR Special Issue.

Approximately 70% of all GISP2 sample processing was undertaken in the field. Archive samples (~30% of the full core) are stored at the National Ice Core Laboratory (NICL) in Denver, CO.

The GISP2 Executive Committee:

Dr. R.B. Alley (1994-1997)
Dr. P.A. Mayewski (1989-1997, Chair)
Dr. P.M. Grootes (1989-1997)
Dr. M. Wahlen (1989-1997)
The GISP2 Advisory Committee Includes:

Dr. J. Andrews (1994-1997)
Dr. C. Bentley (1989-1997)
Dr. W. Broecker (1989-1997, Chair)
Dr. G. Denton (1991-1997)
Dr. J. Imbrie (1989-1997)
Dr. S. Lehman (1994-1997)

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no ice core expert, but I thought that you had to actually wait for ice to form before you could core it, and it can take up to around a century for snow to compact into firn and then usable ice. So the above data wouldn't be accurate for the supposed anthropogenic period.
 

ethanm

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Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no ice core expert, but I thought that you had to actually wait for ice to form before you could core it, and it can take up to around a century for snow to compact into firn and then usable ice. So the above data wouldn't be accurate for the supposed anthropogenic period.

There is also debate as to whether the "medieval warming period" was regional or worldwide.
 

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I could use some climate change in my office. It almost froze last night, it's 55 degrees outside right now, and yet they still feel the need to run the AC like it's August.

That's something I don't get; I'll tell you that much right now.
 
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Piobaire

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I don't get why I wasn't a trust fund baby. I think I would make a very good idle rich person.
 

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I could use some climate change in my office. It almost froze last night, it's 55 degrees outside right now, and yet they still feel the need to run the AC like it's August.

That's something I don't get; I'll tell you that much right now.


The exact opposite happens in my office. It has to be 80 degrees in here. I can't wear sweaters, even cotton, in the winter because I will overheat within 5 minutes. It's so annoying.
 

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