What do you think of Ralph lauren compared to Brioni, Kiton?

lasbar · Jul 2, 2007

I was expected a bit of "debat d'ecole" between two factions ,the Italian and British/American influences ,but being neither of them ,i still want information regarding Ralph Lauren purple label...
Always look for the third way,my son...
Saint-Andrew Milan are doing their suits if i did follow the argument...
The Black label collection is produced by them?
By the way,I 'm a bit disappointed by all the shite and that's an understatement produced by Ralph Lauren ....
Their shirts are getting worse and the quality of the rest is awful and overpriced...
One reason to wear Kiton or Brioni over Ralph LAUREN: The local spotty teenager does not wear Brioni or kiton or does not know what Kiton is...

Willsw · Jul 2, 2007

Originally Posted by lasbar

One reason to wear Kiton or Brioni over Ralph LAUREN: The local spotty teenager does not wear Brioni or kiton or does not know what Kiton is...

He also probably doesn't know what Purple Label is either and is wearing some Polo Jean Co. products, so the exclusive bent works there as well. For spotty teenagers.

gdl203 · Jul 2, 2007

Originally Posted by lasbar

One reason to wear Kiton or Brioni over Ralph LAUREN: The local spotty teenager does not wear Brioni or kiton or does not know what Kiton is...

Do you keep the brand tag sewn on the left sleeve? If not, why does it matter if your suit is RL or Kiton if you like the quality and fit? "The local spotty teenager" cannot tell which on eyou're wearing

imageWIS · Jul 2, 2007

Originally Posted by drizzt3117

Sorry but that's a crock of ****. Fit has much more to do with the body type and how the shoulder of the jacket fits an individual than quality. I own multiple RLPL (Saint Andrews), Sartoria Saint Andrews, Brioni, and Kiton suits, and am slowly replacing the majority of my businesswear with Saint Andrews mainline or RLPL because I feel the fit is siginificantly better for me. As far as construction goes, I'll defer to others but many have mentioned that SA has as much or more handwork than Brioni and the fabric quality is approximately the same. I'm not fond of Kiton's more delicate fabrics although they are certainly luxurious.

BTW if you are talking about comparing Cantarelli or Chester Barrie for RLPL to Kiton/Brioni I might agree, but I consider Saint Andrews to be on the same level as the other two. Of course which style you like is a personal choice.

First of all, it all depends which Kiton model you try on, because yes each model is different. At the same time, the drape is going to be a lot better on a Kiton than on a St. Andrews, especially the models cut for RLPL, and thus it will, sans tailoring, off the peg wear better.

Jon.

imageWIS · Jul 2, 2007

Originally Posted by gdl203

That's just fantasy right there. I own a few RLPL (both CB and St Andrews), as well as Brioni and Kiton suits and, although I really like the Kiton and Brioni, they are absolutely not in a different league. They are all very well made suits, use the best fabrics and have great styling and details (which differ slightly between brands of course)

I said the fit was leagues ahead, the handiwork and finishing is another matter.

Jon.

imageWIS · Jul 2, 2007

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

I think that is a very useful description.

When Louis introduced "Oxxford 2000" a few years ago, as their "bespoke" offering (I know...we are already in trouble...), I remember occasional cases of similar descriptive exaggeration by the sales staff. I don't really blame them...it is still a nice store, although diminished as I see it from its peak under Mr. Pearlstein.

- B

Yeah, she hasn't done a good job, IMHO.

Jon.

lasbar · Jul 2, 2007

Of course , i keep the name on the sleeve....
I'm only buying Hillfiger,Lacoste ,YSL homme and Ralph Lauren for the little polo tag!!!!
A sense of exclusivity is always synonym with luxury ,except when we're talking of STD!!!!!!!

gdl203 · Jul 2, 2007

Originally Posted by imageWIS

I said the fit was leagues ahead
But that makes little, if any, sense. I hope you can see that. Fit is relative to the wearer so is different for everyone. If what you're trying to say is that the cut (or styling) of the jacket was far better, then I'm OK with you finding it to your liking but it is by no means "leagues ahead"

lee_44106 · Jul 2, 2007

My observation has been that, much like the infatuation over the John Lobb shoes, Kiton garments have been so hyped that they are nearly irreproachable.

drizzt3117 · Jul 2, 2007

Originally Posted by imageWIS

First of all, it all depends which Kiton model you try on, because yes each model is different. At the same time, the drape is going to be a lot better on a Kiton than on a St. Andrews, especially the models cut for RLPL, and thus it will, sans tailoring, off the peg wear better.

Jon.

I posted four pictures. Please point out the drape and lapel roll differences if they are so obvious. I would be impressed if you could correctly identify the four jackets.

Artisan Fan · Jul 2, 2007

Originally Posted by drizzt3117

I posted four pictures. Please point out the drape and lapel roll differences if they are so obvious. I would be impressed if you could correctly identify the four jackets.

Drizz,

It's all but impossible to point out differences based on pictures. It's clear you have decided on what your view of the world is but based on my experience with SA suits, I simply have a different take. Seems like there are many different opinions on this thread. I can only share my experience with SA and it was not good. Maybe things are getting better but I'm not going back.

Kiton and Brioni are very spendy these days but they make a damn good suit. I like my Oxxford but the fabrics and buttonhole work still need some work as they are rough. Their pants waistband is the highlight for me.

If others feel differently then they can vote with their wallet and buy something else, but I don't feel SA is at this better quality level of Kiton and Brioni.

grimslade · Jul 2, 2007

Originally Posted by drizzt3117

I posted four pictures. Please point out the drape and lapel roll differences if they are so obvious. I would be impressed if you could correctly identify the four jackets.

I can't tell, but it looks like your arms are way too jacked for the first suit.

JBZ · Jul 2, 2007

Originally Posted by gdl203

But that makes little, if any, sense. I hope you can see that. Fit is relative to the wearer so is different for everyone. If what you're trying to say is that the cut (or styling) of the jacket was far better, then I'm OK with you finding it to your liking but it is by no means "leagues ahead"

I wouldn't even go this far. Cut and, particularly, styling are subjective. Someone (or even the majority of people) may appreciate the cut or styling of a Kiton more than a Saint Andrews, but this doesn't make one garment inherently better than the other (whether the cut or styling of a particular maker is more suited to a person's body type is another issue all together). I have made similar arguments with regard to shoes in the past (e.g. Alden vs. Edward Green), but it's a bit like pissing against the wind on this forum.

drizzt3117 · Jul 2, 2007

Originally Posted by Artisan Fan

It's all but impossible to point out differences based on pictures. It's clear you have decided on what your view of the world is but based on my experience with SA suits, I simply have a different take. Seems like there are many different opinions on this thread. I can only share my experience with SA and it was not good. Maybe things are getting better but I'm not going back.
It's impossible to idenfity suits from pictures? The shoulders are completely different and since you've owned all of them it should be easy for you to identify which suit is which, no? If the lapel roll is "obviously worse" it should also be easy for you to point out exactly what is wrong with the lapel roll of the Saint Andrews. The same goes for Jon, since differences in drape should easily be identifiable from pictures.

Pariolino · Jul 2, 2007

For lapels only the first and last are clearly the winners.

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