The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

gdl203 · May 23, 2007

Originally Posted by Thurston

My PAM 183 #G002/1500. That makes this watch the second produced in its first and only year of production with this dial layout. I don't think that does anything to the value, but it's interesting.

Thurston - interesting serial # considering that #1 is generally reserved for a "friend" of the company. My PAM115's serial number is 115/200 which I also find interesting but doesn't add to the value either

Thurston · May 23, 2007

I'll help. My favorite watch. I probably wear it more than any other. IWC 5441 Jubilee Portugesier. I drove from Philadelphia to Princeton in a snowstorm to meet a guy from Brooklyn at a train station to collect this watch.

It's the Levi's Port, #501/1000

gdl203 · May 23, 2007

Thurston - I don't know if I'm the only one but I cannot see the pictures you posted today. The server you are using is blocked by my company firewall!

Thurston · May 23, 2007

Originally Posted by gdl203

Thurston - interesting serial # considering that #1 is generally reserved for a "friend" of the company. My PAM115's serial number is 115/200 which I also find interesting but doesn't add to the value either

I bought it a few months after it came out from another collector in the DC area. He's nobody special, just a guy who buys too many watches he can't really afford and then sells them after a few weeks. This one originated at one of the Boutiques in Italy, I can't recall which at the moment. My PAM Zero is milesimation #5, not from the first year though. I like it because it's my birthday. I bought that one from Chad in BH.

Thurston · May 23, 2007

Originally Posted by gdl203

Thurston - I don't know if I'm the only one but I cannot see the pictures you posted today. The server you are using is blocked by my company firewall!

That's strange, my host is comcast and my pics aren't password protected.

Artisan Fan · May 23, 2007

Originally Posted by Thurston

I'll help. My favorite watch. I probably wear it more than any other. IWC 5441 Jubilee Portugesier. I drove from Philadelphia to Princeton in a snowstorm to meet a guy from Brooklyn at a train station to collect this watch.

It's the Levi's Port, #501/1000

Beautiful watch and strap!

Thurston · May 23, 2007

Originally Posted by Artisan Fan

Beautiful watch and strap!
Thank you. The strap is from the wg/ardiose dialed Portugese Auto 5001. I ordered it through my dealer and rejected the first specimen as too 'flat'. I really wanted that reddish cast. Edit: So my pics are obviously visible to you. Sorry gdl.

gdl203 · May 23, 2007

Originally Posted by Thurston

Edit: So my pics are obviously visible to you. Sorry gdl.
damn!

dkzzzz · May 23, 2007

Question: What smaller size 35mm watches available from Panerai or other manufacturer? I am asking because I like Panerai's retro shape. Unfortunately Panerai are too large for my wrist.
Second question is : Why so many fakes or repros of Panerai? Is it becoming Rolex of 90s?

gdl203 · May 23, 2007

Originally Posted by dkzzzz

Question: What smaller size 35mm watches available from Panerai or other manufacturer? I am asking because I like Panerai's retro shape. Unfortunately Panerai are too large for my wrist.
There are no Panerai watches below 40mm. Which style are you interested in? Luminor (with the crown guard) or Radiomir (cushion shape)?

Second question is : Why so many fakes or repros of Panerai? Is it becoming Rolex of 90s?

Several reasons but the three main ones IMO are
(1) popularity of the design yet expensive price point (similar to Rolex sub in that regard)
(2) limited production levels so difficult to find the models one wants at a dealer (specifically the most classic ones)
(3) For most of its models, Panerai is using ETA and Valjoux movements with modifications generally limited to decorations and a couple more things (e.g. swan neck regulator). ETA movements are easy to procure so making a fake with a movement which looks very similar to the OP movement is not that hard. In addition, fake ETA movements are now made as well, which makes it even easier.

Reason #3 is one of the primary reasons why OP has started rolling out its own manufacture movements.

globetrotter · May 23, 2007

the on on the left is the only watch I wear any more - a pilot's watch from the 1920's - bought in prague with an origional band that was large enough to fit outside the sleeve of a leather jacket. the body is aluminum.

the one of the right is a chinese made 4 time zone automatic.

dkzzzz · May 23, 2007

Originally Posted by gdl203

There are no Panerai watches below 40mm. Which style are you interested in? Luminor (with the crown guard) or Radiomir (cushion shape)?

Several reasons but the three main ones IMO are
(1) popularity of the design yet expensive price point (similar to Rolex sub in that regard)
(2) limited production levels so difficult to find the models one wants at a dealer (specifically the most classic ones)
(3) For most of its models, Panerai is using ETA and Valjoux movements with modifications generally limited to decorations and a couple more things (e.g. swan neck regulator). ETA movements are easy to procure so making a fake with a movement which looks very similar to the OP movement is not that hard. In addition, fake ETA movements are now made as well, which makes it even easier.

Reason #3 is one of the primary reasons why OP has started rolling out its own manufacture movements.

40mm that is a bit too large. I like both shapes actually. They must be so top heavy. How do you keep it from sliding around your wrist? Is there common name to the shape that Panerai uses (that semi-rectangular shape)?

gdl203 · May 23, 2007

Originally Posted by dkzzzz

40mm that is a bit too large. I like both shapes actually. They must be so top heavy. How do you keep it from sliding around your wrist? Is there common name to the shape that Panerai uses (that semi-rectangular shape)?

You should try one on. It sits very well on the wrist and does not slide at all.

Regarding the shape, are you referring to the Luminor or Radiomir shape? (see difference here)

The Radiomir shape is typically called "cushion". The Luminor shape is unique to Panerai but is sometimes referred to as cushion as well

EDIT: if you like the Radiomir case shape but want the smallest possible case. PAM62 is a great choice (this is not my watch or photo):

It is a 40mm case. As a comparison, my PAM210 at the top of this thread is 45mm

TheHoff · May 23, 2007

Originally Posted by globetrotter

the on on the left is the only watch I wear any more - a pilot's watch from the 1920's

Love it; you should do it justice with a proper photo.

bengal-stripe · May 23, 2007

Just back from Bonhams auction house where I bought this little beauty:

http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/publi...&iSaleNo=15298

The pink gold is much warmer than in the photograph. Any suggestion for a new strap?

Well, I haven't paid for it yet, so it's only a picture for now.

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