Note on Manton's Plan to Destroy SF

dopey · Apr 10, 2007

Originally Posted by Spudbunny

For Strauss, these were actually transcripts of lectures, circulated as above. . .
The transcrpts of Strauss's lectures on the Symposium were collected and published, kind of like an official live-in-concert album. Strauss made much of Socrates's primping and dressing up for the event, making the subject ripe for its own thread - what would you wear to lecture a bunch of drunken or hungover pedarests on eros?

JLibourel · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by AlanC

I did (as I'm sure medwards knows), but I didn't want to interrupt the tongue-in-cheek stream of consciousness.

I worked for Dr. Kirk for a year, and he actually was quite interesting, but not always terribly talkative. How did you have occasion to eat with him?

It was when I was active in the Bruin Young Republicans when I was a grad student at UCLA. The president of the club, Bill Longstreth, who was a good deal older than most of the students, was friendly with Kirk, and I was one of Longstreth's prize members, since I had been to Oxford. Anyway, Kirk was in town, and so we had lunch with him. Based on his writings, I though he would be a superb and captivating raconteur and conversationalist, delivering all sorts of edifying discourses. This did not prove to be the case. I think some people are much better conversationalists than writers and vice-versa. He fell into the latter category...or at least such was my impression.

imageWIS · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by Manton

In the summer of 2003, when D.C. Strauss fever was raging, I pitched a column idea to David Brooks: "The Most Powerful Person in the World Is a Nobody You've Never Heard Of."

The train of logic went like this:

1) Thanks to James Atlas and the New York Times, we now know that Strauss rules the world from his grave.

2) But to do that he needs living instruments.

3) Those living instruments are Strauss students, and students of students, scattered throughout the world's most powerful government -- that of the United States.

4) The White House is the most important power center in that government.

5) Mike Anton is the only Straussian in the White House.

6) Ergo, Mike Anton is the most poweful person in the world.

He didn't write it.

Hahahahahahahaha. Ego, much? Thanks to you, I guess the age of the Borgias is here again....

Jon.

grimslade · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by Spudbunny

For Strauss, these were actually transcripts of lectures, circulated as above.

I've listened to the tapes; they do circulate.

Oh, wait. Did I just blow my cover?

AlanC · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by JLibourel

It was when I was active in the Bruin Young Republicans when I was a grad student at UCLA. The president of the club, Bill Longstreth, who was a good deal older than most of the students, was friendly with Kirk, and I was one of Longstreth's prize members, since I had been to Oxford. Anyway, Kirk was in town, and so we had lunch with him. Based on his writings, I though he would be a superb and captivating raconteur and conversationalist, delivering all sorts of edifying discourses. This did not prove to be the case. I think some people are much better conversationalists than writers and vice-versa. He fell into the latter category...or at least such was my impression.

Very interesting. He really was a captivating raconteur and conversationalist when he got to know you and he was in the mood. Dr. Kirk was fairly shy, I think, although he led a very public life with his speaking engagements and such.

Manton · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by dopey

Strauss made much of Socrates's primping and dressing up for the event

He pined for Alcibiades to show up.

imageWIS · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by zjpj83

I'm so freaking confused.

Really? I thought that rip about the Blue Danube waltz was pretty damn funny.

Jon.

grimslade · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by Manton

He pined for Alcibiades to show up.

And yet desn't Al complain that he could never get Socrates interested--in that way?

I guess Socrates wasn't into FHNW.

imageWIS · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by grimslade

I've listened to the tapes; they do circulate.

Oh, wait. Did I just blow my cover?

Does Karl Rove post on SF?

Jon.

Manton · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by grimslade

And yet desn't Al complain that he could never get Socrates interested--in that way?
Well, people are listening. There are other indications of S's, um, earthiness. Alcibiades I ...

Manton · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by imageWIS

Does Karl Rove post on SF?

Jon.

Karl Rove is not a Straussian.

lawyerdad · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by JLibourel

It was when I was active in the Bruin Young Republicans when I was a grad student at UCLA. The president of the club, Bill Longstreth, who was a good deal older than most of the students, was friendly with Kirk, and I was one of Longstreth's prize members, since I had been to Oxford. Anyway, Kirk was in town, and so we had lunch with him. Based on his writings, I though he would be a superb and captivating raconteur and conversationalist, delivering all sorts of edifying discourses. This did not prove to be the case. I think some people are much better conversationalists than writers and vice-versa. He fell into the latter category...or at least such was my impression.

An anecdote which lends further support to Manton's tapping of JLibourel as the Zelig of SF.

Artisan Fan · Apr 11, 2007

All this Latin and Strauss b.s.

What we really should be doing is critiquing Newt Gingrich's wardrobe.

dopey · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by grimslade

And yet desn't Al complain that he could never get Socrates interested--in that way?

I guess Socrates wasn't into FHNW.

Yes. I thought Alcibiades tried quite hard to get in Soc's toga. An "improper advance" as Mr. Strauss put it, leaving me to wonder what a "proper" advance would have looked like.

JLibourel · Apr 11, 2007

Originally Posted by dopey

Yes. I thought Alcibiades tried quite hard to get in Soc's toga. An "improper advance" as Mr. Strauss put it, leaving me to wonder what a "proper" advance would have looked like.

Er, Dopey, Greeks didn't wear togas. That's a Roman garment. His Kiton maybe.

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