Do you consider yourself to be a moral person?

VelvetGreen · Jun 5, 2011

(^ Just reread what I wrote earlier (been a very long day), sounds a bit inversely Nietzschean/pompous, and unfortunately this is the second time I look like I'm trying to ride over HG + in stitches leaps to the defence. This makes me feel a bit sucky. So I suppose the only thing I can add is a

and that what I wrote was more of a philosophical reaction!)

tagutcow · Jun 5, 2011

Originally Posted by Don Carlos

Morality is a human construct, and is relative from person to person, culture to culture, group to group. Universal morality does not exist.
Seriously, your Peremptory Proclamation Man schtick gets old.

Don Carlos · Jun 5, 2011

Originally Posted by tagutcow

Seriously, your Peremptory Proclamation Man schtick gets old.
I do it only on threaks you have posted in or will post in, because I know you love it.

tagutcow · Jun 5, 2011

Originally Posted by Don Carlos

I do it only on threaks you have posted in or will post in, because I know you love it.

It's true. This threak contains the portents of several novel-length Tagut-rants. It has baited me like a Justin Bieber threak baits Kwilk.

Don Carlos · Jun 5, 2011

Originally Posted by tagutcow

It's true. This threak contains the portents of several novel-length Tagut-rants. It has baited me like a Justin Bieber threak baits Kwilk.

What'll really bake your noodle later on is this: if I hadn't have known you were coming, would you still have come?

Barnabus · Jun 5, 2011

I tend to agree with this quote from Oscar Wilde

"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people whom we personally dislike."

I've been noted as having loose morals by people who know me but i tend to think i abide by the ones that are needed and logical while many go a bit over board with the whole morality thing.

acidboy · Jun 5, 2011

in front of the kids, a definite yes.

Big Pun · Jun 5, 2011

Not in the traditional sense, and I agree with Rambone

scarphe · Jun 5, 2011

Originally Posted by Sir Humphrey Appleby

So people don't **** you over and to make sure they like you and might want to give you a leg up. Ultimately that is what your brain is thinking when it makes you be moral.

so you like to be perceived as moral, not actually be moral

mm84321 · Jun 5, 2011

Originally Posted by HgaleK

I realized today that I'm not a moral person. I don't like hurting people, but otherwise have no issue with dishonesty, stealing, manipulation, etc. It doesn't even have to be to further a goal of mine- sometimes it's just tempting to pocket something or manipulate somebody, or lie simply for the sake of lying.

I admire your honesty.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · Jun 5, 2011

Originally Posted by Carlisle Blues

It leads to a sense of equanimity and inner peace.

Originally Posted by Sir Humphrey Appleby

So people don't **** you over and to make sure they like you and might want to give you a leg up. Ultimately that is what your brain is thinking when it makes you be moral.

Originally Posted by scarphe

so you like to be perceived as moral, not actually be moral

No, I try not to **** other people over etc but subconsciously that is my brain's way of protecting me and my offspring.

A similar question would be "are you loyal to your friends and would you have their back in a fight" - presumably the answer is yes (depending on the fight), sure you may have common interests but that's not why you fight, you have your clan's back and they have yours - survival instinct.

Piobaire · Jun 5, 2011

Back to my question: if you feel you act moral, why?

Is it fear of punishment/bad outcomes? Is it because you feel a "duty" to your fellow humans?

MrG · Jun 5, 2011

I'm a moral person, yes, but I'm also a pragmatist. What is immoral in one case may be the moral thing to do in another. By this I mean we must construct morality in a manner that is very, very specific. As a result, broad statements such as "don't lie" aren't useful. One can be a liar and remain moral, it's really just an ends-means question.

Also, I believe it's possible to construct a universal morality, and the notion that we can't is drawn from intellectual laziness, not reality.

in stitches · Jun 5, 2011

Originally Posted by Piobaire

Back to my question: if you feel you act moral, why?

Is it fear of punishment/bad outcomes? Is it because you feel a "duty" to your fellow humans?

outside of my religious beliefs, i feel that acting like a decent caring human being is just the right thing to do. its how i would like to be treated so i try and do the same. its not a fear of anything, or a feeling of duty. duty i think implies some feeling of burden. i find being a good person to be enjoyable, not burdonsome.

edit - +1 to mrg above

mm84321 · Jun 5, 2011

Originally Posted by Piobaire

Back to my question: if you feel you act moral, why?
I act "morally", i.e., stick to my principles and core beliefs, and that seems to have a positive impact on the people I encounter on a daily basis. That's what makes it worth it, for me at least. I find the best way to change someone for the better is not to directly and authoritatively tell them to make any changes to their life--this will just intimidate them, and no human being likes being told what to do--but to lead by example. When someone sees a strong, confident--and moral--individual, who is able to do things just a bit different than what is considered the norm, or what is conventional, and they see that it can actually work--and perhaps work better--that is how people start to make changes to their lives. It must always first start with the individual.

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