Pacquiao/Mosley

i fell asleep watching this fight. did not know who won until i woke up today. no lie..

Originally Posted by dragon8

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Is Mayweather next?

It will be as boring as this one.

Originally Posted by ConcernedParent

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It will be as boring as this one.
Only because you're a pacfan.

Floyd lights him up on the outside with jabs and counters. Mosley was too old to do that, but he did control the distance and keep it on the outside.

manny is a mid-range fighter. He needs you to be at mid-range to throw his perceived "amazing combos" with "amazing angles". Put him on the outside or inside, and he'll be lost. We saw it last night with Mosley.

Originally Posted by TyCooN

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Floyd lights him up on the outside with jabs and counters. Mosley was too old to do that, but he did control the distance and keep it on the outside.

manny is a mid-range fighter. He needs you to be at mid-range to throw his perceived "amazing combos" with "amazing angles". Put him on the outside or inside, and he'll be lost. We saw it last night with Mosley.


amazing angle/combo on the inside resulted in this:

mosley did the pragmatic thing and avoided any part of pac afterwards = boring fight onward.

Originally Posted by LawrenceMD

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amazing angle/combo on the inside resulted in this:

mosley did the pragmatic thing and avoided any part of pac afterwards = boring fight onward.
Shane was determined to take steps backward to make manny's offense less effective right after the opening bell rang. He watched the Juan Marquez tape, saw Marquez have success with it, and was determined to do it himself. manny doesn't know how to cut off the ring, so he couldn't catch a moving target in Mosley. Guys like Julio Chavez, Mike Tyson, Joe Frazier, etc know how to cut off boxing rings. Shane needs to retire too. Hopefully, no one here had to pay to watch this fight. It was a big ripoff for people who did.

Originally Posted by TyCooN

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Only because you're a pacfan. Floyd lights him up on the outside with jabs and counters. Mosley was too old to do that, but he did control the distance and keep it on the outside. manny is a mid-range fighter. He needs you to be at mid-range to throw his perceived "amazing combos" with "amazing angles". Put him on the outside or inside, and he'll be lost. We saw it last night with Mosley.
This analysis runs counter to absolutely everything the experts have to say, but based on your avatar I wasn't expecting anything particularly unbiased. If you're still ready to hate on a guy that has one in seven different weight classes and hasn't been tested in years, then you can. But don't call those who disagree with your blind homerism "pacfans". Just call them realistic.

Originally Posted by TyCooN

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Only because you're a pacfan. Floyd lights him up on the outside with jabs and counters. Mosley was too old to do that, but he did control the distance and keep it on the outside. manny is a mid-range fighter. He needs you to be at mid-range to throw his perceived "amazing combos" with "amazing angles". Put him on the outside or inside, and he'll be lost. We saw it last night with Mosley.

Originally Posted by Lord-Barrington

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This analysis runs counter to absolutely everything the experts have to say, but based on your avatar I wasn't expecting anything particularly unbiased. If you're still ready to hate on a guy that has one in seven different weight classes and hasn't been tested in years, then you can. But don't call those who disagree with your blond homerism "pacfans". Just call them realistic.
Tycoon, I will say that unlike most of us posting in these threads, you really appear to be a boxing fan. But your total unabashed bias against Pac-Man is quite nauseating. That's fine if you think Mayweather is a better boxer. Whatever. No one is really going to know until we see the fight, but when you talk so much **** against Pac despite all his accomplishments, your "analysis" about him makes you look like a fool. Your statement about Pacquiao "being lost" in a fight in which he completely dominated a well-seasoned fighter (granted not anywhere close to his prime) is ludicrous. Of course it was difficult for Manny to get in there, but I didn't see Mayweather do anything more exciting against Mosley either except boringly counter punch.

Originally Posted by Lord-Barrington

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This analysis runs counter to absolutely everything the experts have to say, but based on your avatar I wasn't expecting anything particularly unbiased.


I have a feeling Tycoon views Pacquiao the same way I look at Kobe Bryant on the lakers. I totally hate Kobe and all his idiosyncrasies along with the pac-tard fanboys (in this case Laker and worst kobe-Fanboidom), but the fact is Kobe kept on improving and winning despite his game's shortcomings.

I'll always hate kobe because I was born and raised in Boston raised in Rhode Island and just have a natural hate for the lakers, but I at least respect that kobe knows how to win, worked on his game to improve, and puts up results.

The fact is though mayweather is afraid to lose. Its blatantly obvious at this point. There's a huge difference with hating to lose/being hyper competitive and being afraid to lose.. but at this point in mayweather's career he's scared shitless to have that one loss to smear a huge shitstain on his career.

Its sad too... i have pretty boy floyd winning against pacman if they ever fight. win or lose too he pockets something like $50,000,000.00 with the purse + PPV money.

Originally Posted by LawrenceMD

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I have a feeling Tycoon views Pacquiao the same way I look at Kobe Bryant on the lakers. I totally hate Kobe and all his idiosyncrasies along with the pac-tard fanboys (in this case Laker and worst kobe-Fanboidom), but the fact is Kobe kept on improving and winning despite his game's shortcomings.

I'll always hate kobe because I was born and raised in Boston raised in Rhode Island and just have a natural hate for the lakers, but I at least respect that kobe knows how to win, worked on his game to improve, and puts up results.

The fact is though mayweather is afraid to lose. Its blatantly obvious at this point. There's a huge difference with hating to lose/being hyper competitive and being afraid to lose.. but at this point in mayweather's career he's scared shitless to have that one loss to smear a huge shitstain on his career.

Its sad too... i have pretty boy floyd winning against pacman if they ever fight. win or lose too he pockets something like $50,000,000.00 with the purse + PPV money.

That's what it comes down to. I don't think he's so much scare of Pac as he is of losing, period. It could be Pac or it could be someone else but I think he's just too afraid of losing the "0" on his record.

Originally Posted by Lord-Barrington

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This analysis runs counter to absolutely everything the experts have to say, but based on your avatar I wasn't expecting anything particularly unbiased. If you're still ready to hate on a guy that has one in seven different weight classes and hasn't been tested in years, then you can. But don't call those who disagree with your blind homerism "pacfans". Just call them realistic.
He said a Mayweather-manny fight would be as boring as last night's fight. I disagreed because we know Mayweather actually lands clean and sharp punches. The experts can share their opinions if they want. It doesn't change the fact that Floyd is the most accurate puncher in the sport. Jabs: Landed/Thrown/Connect Percentage Mayweather 85/210----40% Mosley 46/283----16% Pacquiao 48/268----17% Mosley 51/199----26% The experts want to disagree that Floyd has a much better jab than manny? The facts aren't backing them. Floyd threw less and landed nearly twice as much in jabs.

Originally Posted by teddieriley

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Tycoon, I will say that unlike most of us posting in these threads, you really appear to be a boxing fan. But your total unabashed bias against Pac-Man is quite nauseating. That's fine if you think Mayweather is a better boxer. Whatever. No one is really going to know until we see the fight, but when you talk so much **** against Pac despite all his accomplishments, your "analysis" about him makes you look like a fool. Your statement about Pacquiao "being lost" in a fight in which he completely dominated a well-seasoned fighter (granted not anywhere close to his prime) is ludicrous. Of course it was difficult for Manny to get in there, but I didn't see Mayweather do anything more exciting against Mosley either except boringly counter punch.
Were we watching the same fight. Floyd landed multiple clean shots on manny. People generally watch boxing for offense, right? manny couldn't figure out how to successfully launch his usual offense on Mosley. It's very different from who he has been in most of his fights. I'd call not knowing how to do what you usually do being lost or confused.

Originally Posted by TyCooN

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Floyd landed multiple clean shots on manny.
huh?

Originally Posted by TyCooN

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He said a Mayweather-manny fight would be as boring as last night's fight. I disagreed because we know Mayweather actually lands clean and sharp punches. The experts can share their opinions if they want. It doesn't change the fact that Floyd is the most accurate puncher in the sport. Jabs: Landed/Thrown/Connect Percentage Mayweather 85/210----40% Mosley 46/283----16% Pacquiao 48/268----17% Mosley 51/199----26% The experts want to disagree that Floyd has a much better jab than manny? The facts aren't backing them. Were we watching the same fight. Floyd landed multiple clean shots on manny. People generally watch boxing for offense, right? manny couldn't figure out how to successfully launch his usual offense on Mosley. It's very different from who he has been in most of his fights. I'd call not knowing how to do what you usually do being lost or confused.
I can tell we'll get nowhere with you because you're just hating to hate. I'll still throw out a few things for you to consider: 1) Pac was probably as excited for this fight as fans were, meaning not much. He shouldn't have been fighting Mosley at all, knew he was going to win, and probably trained accordingly. The result was a rather boring fight still dominated by Pacquiao from beginning to end. 2) Mayweather is a far more accurate puncher than Pacquiao. Pacquiao throws about 4 punches for every one Mayweather does and (statistically) lands more than Mayweather even though he has a lower percentage. Mayweather also hasn't had a KO since 1999 or a TKO since 2007. He also has 21 wins by KOs to Pacuqiao's 38. I'd hardly say that anyone in Pacquiao's corner is worried about Floyd's devastating power. 3) To which you'll probably respond "But look at his defence!" His defence is, of course, phenomenal. But he's never fought anyone as good as Pacuqiao (and that is, as you would say, a FACT) and he's certainly never faced anyone that throws as many punches. 4) And if were comparing fights against the same opponents, what about what Pacquiao did to Oscar or Ricky Hatton? He destroyed those guys while Floyd went the distance with both. Anyone who pretends that this fight would be a walk in the park for either fighter is just an idiot, plain and simple. I don't think Pacquiao could do anything to convince Floyd supporters that he actually is for real, short of KOing someone with a punch that made their head explode.

Originally Posted by Matt

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huh?
whoops, I meant Mosley. Floyd lands multiple shots on manny when the time comes.

Originally Posted by Lord-Barrington

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I can tell we'll get nowhere with you because you're just hating to hate. I'll still throw out a few things for you to consider: 1) Pac was probably as excited for this fight as fans were, meaning not much. He shouldn't have been fighting Mosley at all, knew he was going to win, and probably trained accordingly. The result was a rather boring fight still dominated by Pacquiao from beginning to end. 2) Mayweather is a far more accurate puncher than Pacquiao. Pacquiao throws about 4 punches for every one Mayweather does and (statistically) lands more than Mayweather. Mayweather also hasn't had a KO since 1999 or a TKO since 2007. He also has 21 wins by KOs to Pacuqiao's 38. I'd hardly say that anyone in Pacquiao's corner is worried about Floyd's devastating power. 3) To which you'll probably respond "But look at his defence!" His defence is, of course, phenomenal. But he's never fought anyone as good as Pacuqiao (and that is, as you would say, a FACT) and he's certainly never faced anyone that throws as many punches. Anyone who pretends that this fight would be a walk in the park for either fighter is just an idiot, plain and simple. I don't think Pacquiao could do anything to convince Floyd supporters that he actually is for real, short of KOing someone with a punch that made their head explode.
1) pac generally tries to finish it early if he knows it's going to be an easy fight. He ko'd Morales in the 3rd in their 3rd match. knocked out Hatton in the 2nd. Shane's movement had him confused. 2) Look at my stats again. Floyd threw LESS jabs but landed more. Jabs: Landed/Thrown/Connect Percentage Mayweather 85/210----40% Mosley 46/283----16% Pacquiao 48/268----17% Mosley 51/199----26% 85>48 268>210 Floyd has a better jab. You watched both fights and saw whose jab connected better. 3) I haven't even brought up defense yet. That's your idea. Floyd has fought someone who threw somewhere in the ball park of 110 punches average per a round at him. That guy ended up getting stopped. His corner threw in the towel because Floyd made his head snap back one too many times. Mosley's movement and clinches dropped manny's punches per round down to only 44. That's about how much punches Mayweather limits his victims too. Difference is Floyd's even better at moving and clinching than Shane. People don't call him MayRUNNER for no reason.

Originally Posted by TyCooN

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whoops, I meant Mosley. Floyd lands multiple shots on manny when the time comes.

1) pac generally tries to finish it early if he knows it's going to be an easy fight. He ko'd Morales in the 3rd in their 3rd match. knocked out Hatton in the 2nd. Shane's movement had him confused.

2) Look at my stats again. Floyd threw LESS jabs but landed more.

Jabs: Landed/Thrown/Connect Percentage
Mayweather 85/210----40%
Mosley 46/283----16%

Pacquiao 48/268----17%
Mosley 51/199----26%

85>48
268>210

Floyd has a better jab. You watched both fights and saw whose jab connected better.

3) I haven't even brought up defense yet. That's your idea.

Floyd has fought someone who threw somewhere in the ball park of 110 punches average per a round at him. That guy ended up getting stopped. His corner threw in the towel because Floyd made his head snap back one too many times.

Mosley's movement and clinches dropped manny's punches per round down to only 44. That's about how much punches Mayweather limits his victims too. Difference is Floyd's even better at moving and clinching than Shane. People don't call him MayRUNNER for no reason.

So basically you're still comparing them both only on the Mosley fight, even though there's a number of common opponents that Pacquiao has fared better against? Am I getting that right?

Pacquaio is a way, way better fighter than anyone Mayweather has fought in his career, period. To compare him to some cannon fodder that Mayweather fought and then claim that the same thing will happen in an eventual Manny vs. Money fight is just preposterous.

Originally Posted by Lord-Barrington

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So basically you're still comparing them both only on the Mosley fight, even though there's a number of common opponents that Pacquiao has fared better against? Am I getting that right? Pacquaio is a way, way better fighter than anyone Mayweather has fought in his career, period. To compare him to some cannon fodder that Mayweather fought and then claim that the same thing will happen in an eventual Manny vs. Money fight is just preposterous.
It's no secret that Floyd has a better jab than manny. You've probably watched enough of manny to know his best punches are his str8 left hand and right hook. They even gave manny a toy jab in the fight night game to simulate real life. You mentioned Floyd never dealing with someone who threw a **** load of punches at him. I brought an example to help you and show you that he did fight someone that tried that. He ended up winning too. Now your feelings are hurt over it. We can go through more fights if you want. Marquez lowered pac's punch output by countering and using movement, the same kind Mosley did last night. Cotto lowered pac's punch output by hitting and moving for a bit. We saw what Mosley did to pac's volume of punches last night. 619/12 = is about 52 punches a round on manny's end. His # of punches drop if you counter and/or use movement.