Recent purchases - Part II

Impulse buy but I really couldn't ******* help it. UGH SO HAPPY. Never wearing anything else on Sundays, literally this is all I will wear. Jil Colorblock Suit, s/s 09 Sup Jetdawg?

remember they were selling a lot of those on gilt. how do they fit? are they long on you? we are the same height and i was interested in one, but i thought it'd be way too long in the sleeves and body for me. anyway, nice!

slightly long in the torso but thats most things on me, can't really be bothered by it too much. It's pretty damn fine though, thanks!

Fit pics immediately, scott.

Originally Posted by nahneun

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No social class = Marxism. Hello? That is the most basic tenet of socialism.
I believe we are talking about two different things. I am talking about the ideal that Americans are taught to believe in: A society with no social classes which results in equal opportunity for all. Even though this ideal does not truly exist, that so many Americans posses this guttural belief is a powerful part of American attitudes. What I am saying is that there are actually social classes in America, yet most Americans like to present an attitude of believing otherwise. PBS's "People Like Us" documentary from a few years back did a good job of addressing this issue.

Originally Posted by nahneun

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Please elucidate how Americans are CLEARLY more against elitism than Europeans are.
Europe and Canada are definitely more elitist than the US. Do you deny this? I recall reading a study that compared the family lineage of American CEOs to that of Canadian and European CEOs. The percentage of Canadian and European CEOs whose fathers had also been a CEO was noticeably higher in these countries than it was in the US. The conclusion was that there likely exist more class barriers in these countries which prevent people from rising up. This is elitism-- the idea that your family lineage makes you better stock for such positions or that the upper classes are better educated to handle such affairs. This obviously occurs in America too, but it's just not as pronounced as in these other countries. And it's pretty clear the differences are lessening over time too. Or try securing venture capital funding as a lower class person in Europe. If you have a promising product or business plan in the US you are far more likely to be taken seriously than you would in Europe.

Originally Posted by BB1

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I believe we are talking about two different things. I am talking about the ideal that Americans are taught to believe in: A society with no social classes which results in equal opportunity for all. Even though this ideal does not truly exist, that so many Americans posses this guttural belief is a powerful part of American attitudes. What I am saying is that there are actually social classes in America, yet most Americans like to present an attitude of believing otherwise. PBS's "People Like Us" documentary from a few years back did a good job of addressing this issue. Europe and Canada are definitely more elitist than the US. Do you deny this? I recall reading a study that compared the family lineage of American CEOs to that of Canadian and European CEOs. The percentage of Canadian and European CEOs whose fathers had also been a CEO was noticeably higher in these countries than it was in the US. The conclusion was that there likely exist more class barriers in these countries which prevent people from rising up. This is elitism-- the idea that your family lineage makes you better stock for such positions. This obviously occurs in America too, but it's just not as pronounced as in these other countries. And it's pretty clear the differences are lessening over time too. Or try securing venture capital funding as a lower class person in Europe. If you have a promising product or business plan in the US you are far more likely to be taken seriously than you would in Europe.
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Stop equating correlations to causations. The foundation of American education does not espouse socialism; it espouses freedom and liberty of certain rights. class is a nonfactor in the declaration of independence and constitution. americans do NOT believe that there are no social classes. they believe there are no social BOUNDARIES PROHIBITING ENTRY INTO A HIGHER SOCIAL CLASS. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IDEAS. Where are you getting this information from? You are seriously pulling **** out of your ass here. So many logical fallacies oh my god. My head hurts from reading this. Also, do you know WHY ceos of major corporations in the us can't pass the title to their children? because most of these corporations are public and on the stock market. zzzz you really... REALLY need to be more knowledgeable about this subject before you make your claims man.

scott, awesome pickup. I'm jealous.

awesome, scott. awesome.

Originally Posted by nahneun

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If Americans hated elitism as you so claim, there would be no need to buy fake LVs, Guccis, Pradas (all obvious attempts to mimic the rich and to put oneself in a higher social standing than one may actually be in).

Buying fake Gucci, LV, and Prada is not a display of elitism. Rather, it is a simple attempt at displaying success via wealth. Being rich and being in a higher social class are not the same thing. Why do you keep insisting they are?

Here is a better description of elitism from wikipedia....

Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite "” a select group of people with intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes "” are those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight or those who view their own views as so; whose views and/or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities or wisdom render them especially fit to govern

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wowwowowowowowowowowowowwowowowowowowowowowowowowow. dude, you need to get out of the 16th century.

in a capitalist society, money = class. birthright = you were born into a family with a shitload of money, so you are an ELITE WITH ACCESS TO BETTER OPPORTUNITY THAN THOSE WITHOUT MONEY.

that is not to say you CAN'T become an elite because you were born in a family living in a lower income bracket.

okay. i'm done. this is a waste of my time. you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Synthese

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it's called wabi-sabi, shitbrain.
#winning

Originally Posted by nahneun

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Where are you getting this information from? You are seriously pulling **** out of your ass here. So many logical fallacies oh my god. My head hurts from reading this.

This famous sociologist seems to agree with what I'm saying. In particular this book contains a large section talking about American attitudes towards elitism and uses CEOs as a supporting example....

http://books.google.com/books?id=lTA...ed=0CCsQ6AEwAA

You'll notice that he commits the same sin of "equating correlations to causations" that you accuse me of.

Originally Posted by nahneun

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wowwowowowowowowowowowowwowowowowowowowowowowowowow. dude, you need to get out of the 16th century. in a capitalist society, money = class. birthright = you were born into a family with a shitload of money, so you are an ELITE WITH ACCESS TO BETTER OPPORTUNITY THAN THOSE WITHOUT MONEY. that is not to say you CAN'T become an elite because you were born in a family living in a lower income bracket. okay. i'm done. this is a waste of my time. you really have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm not going to go into teaching mode but you are presenting a restrictive and indeed truncated view of social class, it is not merely a statement of wealth but a position within the structure of society that has indeed economic implications but also includes cultural and social elements that are more than important in the delimitation of an individual's position. For examples it does limit the real field of possibilities you have from your singular position but also the possibilities you can properly identify as such and act on. The united states have a particular take on social classes that has indeed been imported to other countries but to a much lesser extant; a concerted effort by conservatives forces has lead to the replacement of the rich/poor opposition by an intellectuals/common people dichotomy. This is why you can have millionaire politicians telling their constituency that they are like them cause they don't live in the silver towers of those intellectuals and they eat ketchup with their apple pies and don't like contemporary art or whatever. It is a very real switch and it cannot be explained away by purely economical analysis but by a replacement of old representations by new ones. By the way you need but to look to Japan to see a society in denial of the existence of social classes. A discourse negating through various strategies the existence of the later comes from conservative forces not socialists one btw, the later having their whole ideology based on exposing existing social structures linked to the distribution of power.

English, please

Originally Posted by BlackToothedGrin

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English, please

Go read a ******* book or two. Clearer?