Consider the Lobster

Originally Posted by iammatt

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Do you eat lobster killed by others?
Not recently. I mentioned that. I probably will soon, because it's delicious. Your dish with the meat in the shells the other day was what inspired the thread. I would eat that all day long. This isn't a debilitating issue of morality that keeps me up at night, but it is one that I ignore out of convenience. I was curious if others feel in any way similar or have a differing view on whether the manner of death is a consideration and why or why not.

Originally Posted by mordecai

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Yes, that's the point. Would you prefer that a cow be cooked alive if somebody discovered that the flavor was improved?

Oysters are like plants. A lot of vegetarians eat them.

Cooking a cow alive is a different story. It would take much longer and have to suffer a lot more than a lobster. A lobster dies in the water very quickly, and a lobster dies with the knife stab almost instantly. A cow gets shocked and then killed very quickly. I don't see how there is much of a morality difference. Either way, you're killing the animal for your own convenience. And lol at oysters "not counting."

Originally Posted by mordecai

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Not recently. I mentioned that. I probably will soon, because it's delicious. Your dish with the meat in the shells the other day was what inspired the thread. I would eat that all day long. This isn't a debilitating issue of morality that keeps me up at night, but it is one that I ignore out of convenience. I was curious if others feel in any way similar or have a differing view on whether the manner of death is a consideration and why or why not.
OK, so serious answer. I killed too many lobsters before I was mature enough to think about the morality of the issue. I used to tie their tails together so that they would stay straight when cooked, and the little F***ers hated that, but it didn't bother me. Now I don't really give any thought to it. If I want to eat lobster, I have to kill them, so that is what I do. I don't separate my killing food from somebody else doing it, and I don't really have moral issues about meat in any way, so I must not care about killing animals for food. This may be unsatisfying, but I do think it has more to do with our distance from our food in these times than anything else. If we still raised our own pigs and killed them so that we could eat, I don't think lobster morality would be a big issue.

Originally Posted by iammatt

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Lambs are adorable. Every time I drive by a farm with little babies, I cry inside.

Do you not like it, the silencing of the lambs?

I only eat soybeans killed by white people. They cost quite a bit more but I can rest better at night knowing my beans were murdered fairly.

Originally Posted by iammatt

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OK, so serious answer. I killed too many lobsters before I was mature enough to think about the morality of the issue. I used to tie their tails together so that they would stay straight when cooked, and the little F***ers hated that, but it didn't bother me. Now I don't really give any thought to it. If I want to eat lobster, I have to kill them, so that is what I do. I don't separate my killing food from somebody else doing it, and I don't really have moral issues about meat in any way, so I must not care about killing animals for food. This may be unsatisfying, but I do think it has more to do with our distance from our food in these times than anything else. If we still raised our own pigs and killed them so that we could eat, I don't think lobster morality would be a big issue.
It isn't really a "big" issue. But the fact that they are alive long enough to try to get out bothers me. I don't have a problem with the knife method, because it is (at least in theory) quicker and similar to the method of killing for other animals that I eat. I agree about the distance between our lives and the lives of the animals we consume. Deluded and dishonest consumption.

I've boiled a few lobsters and I have never seen them struggle to get out. Maybe I had docile ones but they went into the water, did almost nothing, and were dead in less than two minutes.

personally, there are other things that bother me a lot more. if you've been around a lot of lobsters, it's kind of hard to think of them as anything but bugs. big, delicious, ocean-going cockroaches. and they are EXTREMELY plentiful. i have a LOT more trouble with caviar, actually ... at least the good stuff ... killing an endangered species so you can rip out its ovaries just strikes me as problematic. and let's not even talk about bluefin tuna.

Originally Posted by foodguy

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personally, there are other things that bother me a lot more. if you've been around a lot of lobsters, it's kind of hard to think of them as anything but bugs. big, delicious, ocean-going cockroaches. and they are EXTREMELY plentiful. i have a LOT more trouble with caviar, actually ... at least the good stuff ... killing an endangered species so you can rip out its ovaries just strikes me as problematic. and let's not even talk about bluefin tuna.

I agree with that.

In asia, we like to feed the shrimp alcohol first so they don't feel anything when we put them in boiling water.

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Originally Posted by mordecai

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I could understand it not being a concern of yours, but you don't get it? Really?

Look, as I said before, they are the equivalent of cockroaches. I, and I'm sure you don't, feel much of a problem when you smack a cockroach and it still squirms around the floor for a good minute after three times of smacking it. And I can guarantee the roach "feels worse". Why is that less problematic than the lobster? OK that wasn't as clear as I wanted.

Originally Posted by iammatt

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Lambs are adorable. Every time I drive by a farm with little babies, I cry inside.

No you don't. You have no heart.

Originally Posted by edinatlanta

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Look, as I said before, they are the equivalent of cockroaches. I, and I'm sure you don't, feel much of a problem when you smack a cockroach and it still squirms around the floor for a good minute after three times of smacking it. And I can guarantee the roach "feels worse". Why is that less problematic than the lobster? OK that wasn't as clear as I wanted. .
When I was a little kid I jumped into a pool to save a roly poly. This isn't a bad point though I don't think the similarities are that profound.

Originally Posted by mordecai

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When I was a little kid I jumped into a pool to save a roly poly.

jeez, you were kind of destined to live in eagle rock, weren't you?

I live in Franklin Hills, not Eagle Rock. Used to live in Highland Park though.

Originally Posted by kwilkinson

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i have seen someone put a live lobster in a chamber vac. unnecessarily cruel and inhumane. i have a lot of thought on the subject but will wait til i get to a real computer to type them

Originally Posted by kwilkinson

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yeah it was terrible. the worst part was that was (and is no longer, thank god) the exec sous at a very famous and respected restaurant. sad

Originally Posted by gomestar

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Originally Posted by kwilkinson

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I'm sure this makes me an awful, awful human being, but one night at Cyrus we stuck a live lobster in the cryovac. And by "we" I mean "I waited until everyone else left and I did it to see what happened."

my weird memory awakens.

rofl self pwnage

Originally Posted by kwilkinson

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Where do you draw the line? It's not okay to boil a living lobster, but it is to ram a knife through its brain? Or its not okay to ram a knife through its brain OR boil it, but it's okay to take mussels, another living animal, and throw them in a hot pan? What about oysters? Is it okay to eat something if it's still alive? Is it any less humane to boil a lobster than it is to shock a cow's brain and then **** its throat?

id draw the line somewhere before putting a living lobster in a vacuum for ***** and giggles