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Was about to order a TOJ band collar, but ended up with buying a Attachment band collar instead.
why would the MMM "age nicer", serious question
4th, ToJ is better quality than RO
in my opinion they are cut better, less trendier. The label in the future would make it worth more than some leather made in some guy's garage who is praised becuase someone on a forum said he makes better jackets than owens.
in my opinion they are cut better, less trendier. The label in the future would make it worth more than some leather made in some guy's garage who is praised becuase someone on a forum said he makes better jackets than owens.
most jackets hovered around there, but you could get pleanty of jakcets ranging from a MMM 5 zip to a used CCP jacket on ebay for the price of an TOJ leather, not to mention resaleablity and it would age much nicer.
You are saying MMM 5-zip cut is less trendy than ToJ? That makes no sense since ToJ follows a more classic style and MMM are cut fuller.
And since it doesn't seem like you've owned either RO or ToJ, I'm going to say you are less qualified to say how these leather will age compared to each others who has owned or has experience with the products.
to establish my point, i am willing to sell MY PERSONAL pre-diesel Maison martin margiela line 10 5 zip for what it will run you to get a TOJ jacket + shipping. in a 50
How's your calf compare to the calf on your old margiela 5-zip? I mean, we know your lamb's the **** but where do you think your calf ranks on the ladder of all calf leathers used?
if you could see my MMM leather in person, this question is not even a question - the jacket looks cool because it's been worn to death for almost 12 years, but it's not high quality. The MMM calf is about one to one with the TOJ stuff on the topside finish though I might be edging the MMM out a bit, it's hard to tell since there isn't an unwrinkled spot on my MMM anywhere (our calf is near flawless in the hide and we pay a huge premium for that) but the MMM is very thin for calf, not even 3oz, more like 2oz (about 0.6-8mm, it's really quite thin), the lining is cheap cotton+viscose (that has gaping holes all over, and I have to stuff the strands of sleeve lining back into the sleeves), all the seams around the zippers and placket are just sewn and then excess edges are cut - when the seams break away from the stitching there's nothing to do about repairing it cleanly that way. The jacket is missing the little flashing details of leather that 'hide' the zips like on my TOJ jackets, etc, and the folded over/sewn seams. The MRS zippers are nice on the MMM, but pound for pound the YKK Japans are about as good functionally - which is why MMM themselves moved to the same YKK zips later on. If you ever look at the Junya X Vanson leathers, you see they use the same exact front zip as we do. It's the same part in a bright finish.
But bro...I've read through every single page of this thread so I AM an expert. Despite being a broke college student, I laugh at those peasants buying jackets that merely cost $700.
to establish my point,
Sadly, I am not dumb enough to pay $700+ for a 10 year old leather jacket (that is 2 sizes too big) just to see whether it lives up to ToJ's standard. And that doesn't really establish your point, MMM 5-zips quality today most likely has declined from it's pre-Diesel days so saying the 5-zip of today will age better than ToJ is an overstatement. When I get my ToJ, I can offer my opinion on the difference between it and RO.
Take my word for it then, it still is as nice as the day i bought it.
"shoulder to shoulder: 17.5 inches
those measurements seem about right for true to size 38" chest, but like someone said above bomber jackets look real bad when they are tight.
20 years from now, when TOJ is a vague memory (or remembered as a second source of income for a guy on a forum who managed to source a small production at a local shop) that vintage rick owens leather would look just as nice as the ay you bought it
in my opinion they are cut better, less trendier. The label in the future would make it worth more than some leather made in some guy's garage who is praised becuase someone on a forum said he makes better jackets than owens.
as far as the YKK zippers, sure they are fine, but they are also cheap.