Ferrari FF

Originally Posted by Blackhood

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But how many of those have become true classics? Also a 2+2 does not necessarily translate to a Coupe Grand Tourer; my contention comes from the fact that this looks like Ferrari got jealous of the Panamera and wanted an "in" to "family supercars".

Again, they have made larger GT cars with back seats every single year for over 50 years. This is nothing new.

Judging from the pictures, I can't say I'm much of a fan of this car's styling, nor do I imagine I will be buying one.

But, that said, every time a new 2+2 comes out, amateur critics always come out of the woodwork and claim this isn't what Ferrari is "all about." That's just rubbish. Enzo Ferrari's whole idea was to make a diverse range of cars to appeal to different buyers. Some wanted lightweight cars they could race. Others wanted "family" cars or convertibles for cruising. It's equally irksome when people claim "real Ferraris have a V12" - of course, the list of successful Ferraris, both on and off the track, with V6 and V8 engines is extensive.

I don't know what you mean by "true classics." They are by and large not as valuable today as the pure race cars or GT cars with race history, but that's to be expected. Just as a McKim Mead & White shingle cottage isn't as valuable as a McKim Mead & White Newport mansion. It doesn't make these GT Ferraris any less part of a continuous history of the Ferrari marque.

And, by the way, the heavy, grand touring Ferrari America series (e.g. 340 America, 365 California Spider, 375 America, 410 Superamerica, 500 Superfast) are quite iconic and valuable today.

Originally Posted by zjpj83

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That's just rubbish. Enzo Ferrari's whole idea was to make a diverse range of cars to appeal to different buyers.

That's not entirely true, Enzo didn't care about the retail aspect of the business, he did it solely to finance the racing side.

Originally Posted by Aaron01

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That's not entirely true, Enzo didn't care about the retail aspect of the business, he did it solely to finance the racing side.

Exactly. And what better way to do that than with a diverse range of retail cars.

And, by the way, he drove a big 2+2 himself.

It looks like a mix of Alfa Brera and BMW Z coupe, I like both, so it isn't a bad thing.

On the lambo thing, lambo has said that their Estoque concept is going in to production.

I know the history but I don't like the side profile. I want to. But I don't.

Regards.

21st century Breadvan. I dig.

I'm surprised of the hate. I personally find the design to be rather interesting. It seems far more bold and emotionally designed than that of the 612 which is being replaced.

Originally Posted by Southern-Nupe

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I'm surprised of the hate. I personally find the design to be rather interesting. It seems far more bold and emotionally designed than that of the 612 which is being replaced.

It's very emotional, that's why it's garnering such a negative reaction. The look of F-cars should be emotional, but then again they have put out many 2+2's over the years as zjp said, and the FF is really not that bad, it's quite aggressive and at the same time, makes a statement. Between this FF and the 612, I think the FF makes a better statement for speed, actually.

seen the video http://gazzettadimodena.gelocal.it/m...-ff-27926622/1 looks like it could be a good car for Valentino Rossi
to race in the rally world championship ...the long version http://www.quadorb.net/img/Ferrari-FF.jpg

my opinion has turned somewhat after watching a couple videos.

whoever said they wouldn't drive this because it's not a "real Ferrari" is nuts. It's not going to be a coveted classic Ferrari, but is every car in the line supposed to have epic classic status? wouldn't that deter from classic status itself? this is a car they produced that appeals to a different side of the Ferrari driver. Also, there is obviously a market for a vehicle like this, so why wouldn't Ferrari attempt to tap into it?

Ferrari is trying to prepare their customers to the next thing that is coming down the pike: Which is a ******* Ferrari Hybrid SUV.
You hear it here first.
Fiat is looking for family market, chasing Porsche.

Originally Posted by Pezzaturra

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Ferrari is trying to prepare their customers to the next thing that is coming down the pike: Which is a ******* Ferrari Hybrid SUV.
You hear it here first.
Fiat is looking for family market, chasing Porsche.

Ferrari has already been working on hybrids.

Originally Posted by A Y

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It is a lovely and courageous design. Way to go, Ferrari.

--Andre

I agree