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Do you feel you are intelligent?

Gibonius

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Objectively, I know where I fall on the IQ scale, but subjectively, it depends on the surroundings. In high school, I felt brilliant. In college, felt mostly average. In graduate school, I felt downright stupid sometimes, and I saw others who had a combination of brilliance and drive that was simply scary. Now I'm teaching, and I feel pretty damn smart again. It's an interesting little process.
 

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Originally Posted by Gibonius
Objectively, I know where I fall on the IQ scale, but subjectively, it depends on the surroundings. In high school, I felt brilliant. In college, felt mostly average. In graduate school, I felt downright stupid sometimes, and I saw others who had a combination of brilliance and drive that was simply scary. Now I'm teaching, and I feel pretty damn smart again. It's an interesting little process.

i see people in my highschool with brilliance, drive, good social skills, and kinesthetic intelligence . Part of me wants to not believe it haha. I should be studying for finals right now...
 

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so 43% are in the top 5%? weird.
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Originally Posted by Genesis 30:3
so 43% are in the top 5%? weird.
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SF attracts only the best and brightest.
 

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People think me intelligent
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I try to even out the unbalanced parts of my intelligence every now and then by digging myself deep enough into something new that I can't get out when I've hit the bottom, which is very rewarding. Unfortunately it also eats into my wallet.
 

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Hard to say. I do stupid things more than most, but I have a lot of outliers. I'll submit that as "dynamic".
 

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Originally Posted by Gibonius
Objectively, I know where I fall on the IQ scale, but subjectively, it depends on the surroundings. In high school, I felt brilliant. In college, felt mostly average. In graduate school, I felt downright stupid sometimes, and I saw others who had a combination of brilliance and drive that was simply scary. Now I'm teaching, and I feel pretty damn smart again. It's an interesting little process.
That reminds me of this article. I nearly quit for the same reason.
Originally Posted by Martin A. Schwartz, The importance of stupidity in scientific research, Journal of Cell Science 121, 1771 (2008)
I recently saw an old friend for the first time in many years. We had been Ph.D. students at the same time, both studying science, although in different areas. She later dropped out of graduate school, went to Harvard Law School and is now a senior lawyer for a major environmental organization. At some point, the conversation turned to why she had left graduate school. To my utter astonishment, she said it was because it made her feel stupid. After a couple of years of feeling stupid every day, she was ready to do something else. I had thought of her as one of the brightest people I knew and her subsequent career supports that view. What she said bothered me. I kept thinking about it; sometime the next day, it hit me. Science makes me feel stupid too. It's just that I've gotten used to it. So used to it, in fact, that I actively seek out new opportunities to feel stupid. I wouldn't know what to do without that feeling. I even think it's supposed to be this way. Let me explain. For almost all of us, one of the reasons that we liked science in high school and college is that we were good at it. That can't be the only reason – fascination with understanding the physical world and an emotional need to discover new things has to enter into it too. But high-school and college science means taking courses, and doing well in courses means getting the right answers on tests. If you know those answers, you do well and get to feel smart. A Ph.D., in which you have to do a research project, is a whole different thing. For me, it was a daunting task. How could I possibly frame the questions that would lead to significant discoveries; design and interpret an experiment so that the conclusions were absolutely convincing; foresee difficulties and see ways around them, or, failing that, solve them when they occurred? My Ph.D. project was somewhat interdisciplinary and, for a while, whenever I ran into a problem, I pestered the faculty in my department who were experts in the various disciplines that I needed. I remember the day when Henry Taube (who won the Nobel Prize two years later) told me he didn't know how to solve the problem I was having in his area. I was a third-year graduate student and I figured that Taube knew about 1000 times more than I did (conservative estimate). If he didn't have the answer, nobody did. That's when it hit me: nobody did. That's why it was a research problem. And being my research problem, it was up to me to solve. Once I faced that fact, I solved the problem in a couple of days. (It wasn't really very hard; I just had to try a few things.) The crucial lesson was that the scope of things I didn't know wasn't merely vast; it was, for all practical purposes, infinite. That realization, instead of being discouraging, was liberating. If our ignorance is infinite, the only possible course of action is to muddle through as best we can. I'd like to suggest that our Ph.D. programs often do students a disservice in two ways. First, I don't think students are made to understand how hard it is to do research. And how very, very hard it is to do important research. It's a lot harder than taking even very demanding courses. What makes it difficult is that research is immersion in the unknown. We just don't know what we're doing. We can't be sure whether we're asking the right question or doing the right experiment until we get the answer or the result. Admittedly, science is made harder by competition for grants and space in top journals. But apart from all of that, doing significant research is intrinsically hard and changing departmental, institutional or national policies will not succeed in lessening its intrinsic difficulty. Second, we don't do a good enough job of teaching our students how to be productively stupid – that is, if we don't feel stupid it means we're not really trying. I'm not talking about `relative stupidity', in which the other students in the class actually read the material, think about it and ace the exam, whereas you don't. I'm also not talking about bright people who might be working in areas that don't match their talents. Science involves confronting our `absolute stupidity'. That kind of stupidity is an existential fact, inherent in our efforts to push our way into the unknown. Preliminary and thesis exams have the right idea when the faculty committee pushes until the student starts getting the answers wrong or gives up and says, `I don't know'. The point of the exam isn't to see if the student gets all the answers right. If they do, it's the faculty who failed the exam. The point is to identify the student's weaknesses, partly to see where they need to invest some effort and partly to see whether the student's knowledge fails at a sufficiently high level that they are ready to take on a research project. Productive stupidity means being ignorant by choice. Focusing on important questions puts us in the awkward position of being ignorant. One of the beautiful things about science is that it allows us to bumble along, getting it wrong time after time, and feel perfectly fine as long as we learn something each time. No doubt, this can be difficult for students who are accustomed to getting the answers right. No doubt, reasonable levels of confidence and emotional resilience help, but I think scientific education might do more to ease what is a very big transition: from learning what other people once discovered to making your own discoveries. The more comfortable we become with being stupid, the deeper we will wade into the unknown and the more likely we are to make big discoveries.
If you feel stupid, cheer up. You're probably not as dumb as you think you are.
 

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I'm part of that rare and sad group: High IQ + Autism.

I'm 144 on the Wechsler scale which pegs me at/near Genius, but Autism means my social skills and common sense are fucked like a gibbon in a zoo.
 

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I just want to say I feel I have lost some IQ points since 2008 when I first placed my self "below average."
 

Dakota rube

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Originally Posted by Piobaire
I just want to say I feel I have lost some IQ points since 2008 when I first placed my self "below average."

Ya gotta stay out of CE, man.
It'll do bad stuff to you.
 

Piobaire

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Originally Posted by Dakota rube
Ya gotta stay out of CE, man.
It'll do bad stuff to you.


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Good call.
 

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Originally Posted by Blackhood
I'm part of that rare and sad group: High IQ + Autism.

I'm 144 on the Wechsler scale which pegs me at/near Genius, but Autism means my social skills and common sense are fucked like a gibbon in a zoo.


The IQ test was originally meant to diagnose autism, not intelligence, so I think IQ is a pretty meaningless benchmark ehre.
 

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Originally Posted by HomerJ
That reminds me of this article. I nearly quit for the same reason.

If you feel stupid, cheer up. You're probably not as dumb as you think you are.


The head of my department send that exact same article out on the list serve at one point
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It ended up getting printed out and put up on the wall in quite a few labs.


It's also interesting, one of my friends from undergrad had nearly exactly the same SAT and GRE scores that I did, both of which correlate rather well to IQ. I think we both agreed that we were pretty evenly matched in intelligence (the chess board agreed as well). We both went to grad school, in different fields. There the differences came out. He was one of the hyper-motivated freaks, and ended up being a rock star. I was pretty content being an "average" PhD. Now that we're both done, he's busting his ass in some high powered postdoc position and feeling stupid all the time. I'm teaching and feeling like a genius.
 

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