Lateness/tardiness policies...

Originally Posted by erdawe

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But, I hope you realize how greatly Fraternity chapter can vary greatly from school to school, chapter to chapter as far as size, actions, reputation, ect. Douchebags can be found almost anywhere, even on SF.

All too well. I needed a (somewhat) arbitrary example to make my point.

Originally Posted by holymadness

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Flex time all the way. The best job I ever had let me show up any time between 8:30 and 9:30 and leave 8 hours later. Employee gratitude = productivity.

+1

This thead makes me very happy that I do not have a job ... in particular a job as an attorney.

Originally Posted by tj100

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I think the crux of the issue here is that the hours are not / were not ever "agreed" on. The OP seems to be wondering how he can retroactively set such an agreement. IMHO, in a truly professional environment, the hours are meaningless - that's why you're paid a salary, instead of by the hour. If you're paying somebody a fixed amount to get the job done, whatever it takes (a salary), then the hours should be irrelevant.

The impression I got is that the hours are agreed on (otherwise how do they know the person is late?), but there's no policy for dealing with people that are regularly tardy - tracking occurrences, escalating levels of disciplinary action.

People throw around "professional", but part of being a professional is managing yourself. If you fail to do that, it's time for others to step in. I feel a similar dynamic applies to being a responsible citizen.

Originally Posted by RSS

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The question I would ask: Does the employee get his/her work done? If yes, there is no problem.

Not dealing with the person whose tardiness has no impact leaves you vulnerable to the person whose tardiness does, and cripples you in dealing with the original person when things get worse. Running a business successfully means creating a culture/environment. As well, inconsistency is what kills you when someone sues, and the worst workers always try to sue.

I'm still perplexed by something: what, precisely, is so difficult about getting to the exact same place at the exact same time every day that so many people accept that a competent adult would fail at this consistently?

Originally Posted by epb

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The impression I got is that the hours are agreed on (otherwise how do they know the person is late?), but there's no policy for dealing with people that are regularly tardy - tracking occurrences, escalating levels of disciplinary action.

People throw around "professional", but part of being a professional is managing yourself. If you fail to do that, it's time for others to step in. I feel a similar dynamic applies to being a responsible citizen.



Not dealing with the person whose tardiness has no impact leaves you vulnerable to the person whose tardiness does, and cripples you in dealing with the original person when things get worse. Running a business successfully means creating a culture/environment. As well, inconsistency is what kills you when someone sues, and the worst workers always try to sue.

I'm still perplexed by something: what, precisely, is so difficult about getting to the exact same place at the exact same time every day that so many people accept that a competent adult would fail at this consistently?

You're correct.

And regarding your last sentence, I remain as perplexed as you are.

Give him a review and lower his pay for being late.

I can't take anyone seriously who works less than 50 hours a week. As Douglas said, 9:00 seems late to me. 9:25 is unacceptable. With the way the economy is now, warn him once then can him. You can get a list of 50 drones to take his place tomorrow.

Also, nothing pisses me off more than salaried workers who leave at exactly 5:00 each day. Have you no dignity?

Originally Posted by RSS

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Give him a review and lower his pay for being late.

Many interesting viewpoints have been brought up in this thread. I'm interested to see the responses to this suggestion. For me personally, having my pay lowered would absolutely destroy my morale/motivation.

Originally Posted by dcg

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Many interesting viewpoints have been brought up in this thread. I'm interested to see the responses to this suggestion. For me personally, having my pay lowered would absolutely destroy my morale/motivation.

So what? You're a replaceable drone.

Originally Posted by Lel

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So what? You're a replaceable drone.

You must have me confused with the other employee. I'm very important.

You know I was just kidding, though it probably does echo a lot of people's sentiments.

^Response was mostly tongue-in-cheek; most people are not as important to their organization as they would like to believe. The company would not fold were I to be hit by a bus tomorrow.

Originally Posted by dcg

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Many interesting viewpoints have been brought up in this thread. I'm interested to see the responses to this suggestion. For me personally, having my pay lowered would absolutely destroy my morale/motivation.
Don't always believe what I say. If you look at my first recommendation ... my second (the one to which you responded) makes little sense.

Lower level salaried employees are often expected to clock serious amounts of unpaid overtime. This is bullshit. If you're fired because you leave too soon after quitting time or fail to get to work extra early then your boss is a dickhead. In such a case I'd encourage you to pursue a wrongful termination suit against your boss and your employer. Although you can usually be canned for any reason, that reason cannot be an illegal reason. Best way to win your suit will be to allege your boss made sexual advances toward you, that you resisted those advances, and were thus canned. **** middle management and **** stingy companies.

When you're the admin assistant or whatever your **** first job title is don't be conned into thinking you are developing connections, getting valuable experience, or are putting yourself on the ladder to great things. Every minute you work over and above the eight-hour work day is your time. If you want to give your labor away then give it away to a worthwhile cause --not a to a for-profit enterprise.

Bottom line: if you feel like they're not paying you enough for what you're doing then be sure to take back exactly what you think they owe you.

Originally Posted by TGPlastic

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Bottom line: if you feel like they're not paying you enough for what you're doing then be sure to take back exactly what you think they owe you.

And if your employer feels they're not getting what they paid for, it's okay to take what's owed as well, right? Cut your benefits, short your pay, that sort of thing?