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Piobaire · Dec 11, 2010

Well, making sweeping generalizations is not about nuance.

Acid = old world
Minerality = old world
Oak = new world (specially on white wine)
High ETOH = new world
Fruit forward = new world
earthy = old world

When you add up all those things, it seems to work pretty well.

Johnny_5 · Dec 11, 2010

Anyone familiar with any other Somm. guilds other than the Master Court? I was reading recently that one from Canada was breaking into NYC, but I fear that it is going the be the University of Phoenix of wine.

Piobaire · Dec 11, 2010

Oh, acid = cooler climate, cooler climate = old world.

That's a good example of how things sort of flow and lead into each other.

kwilkinson · Dec 11, 2010

Originally Posted by Johnny_5

Anyone familiar with any other Somm. guilds other than the Master Court? I was reading recently that one from Canada was breaking into NYC, but I fear that it is going the be the University of Phoenix of wine.
The Court is the only one taken very seriously on a global level. Edit: And the ISG but on a much lesser degree.

kwilkinson · Dec 11, 2010

Originally Posted by Piobaire

Oh, acid = cooler climate, cooler climate = old world. That's a good example of how things sort of flow and lead into each other.

Piobaire · Dec 11, 2010

Originally Posted by kwilkinson

The Court is the only one taken very seriously on a global level

And that's the key. It's global. The Court was not established in the US until the late 80s. Until then, you had to fly overseas to get advanced certification.

audiophilia · Dec 11, 2010

The dead soldiers. Cattier is a very good, inexpensive Champagne. The Syrah (very much enjoyed last week on its own) was too heavy after the excellent Rhones. Biggest disappointment was the expensive Burrowing Owl Cabernet. Far too fruit forward for my tastes, especially after the translucent and effortless Rhones. Maybe, on its own or with strong cheese it would be better. The Burrowing Owl Meritage is so much better. A gorgeous blend and very balanced. The JLohr filled in valiantly as an extra bottle at the end of the night, just because. That said, a wonderful evening with very good friends. A perfect compliment to good wines.

Piobaire · Dec 11, 2010

Just cataloged the Sea Smoke in. *sigh* I had thought to go wine shopping today, just for a few bottles of new varietals I tried this last week...but no room.

Piobaire · Dec 11, 2010

Oh, so to Frenchie wines. In January, I'm going to buy a few southern Rhones and a few Volnays. I'm picking Volnay due to its lighter nature. I'm hoping less barnyard and funk. Am I on the right path there, Francophiles?

Piobaire · Dec 11, 2010

Oh, learned the funniest mnemonic to remember bottle sizes.

Micheal
Jackson
Makes
Small
Boys
Nervous
Seriously
Petrified

kwilkinson · Dec 11, 2010

The largest I've held/picked up is a Solomon (24 bottles-- one step bigger than Nebuchadnezzar) and it was ridiculously heavy. The cork was like a freakin' marital aid. I think Solomons, Primats, and Melchizedeks are only made for champagnes, though.

holymadness · Dec 11, 2010

Originally Posted by Piobaire

Oh, so to Frenchie wines. In January, I'm going to buy a few southern Rhones and a few Volnays. I'm picking Volnay due to its lighter nature. I'm hoping less barnyard and funk. Am I on the right path there, Francophiles?
If I drank anything that reminded me of "barnyard" or "funk" I would pour it down the sink.

Piobaire · Dec 11, 2010

Originally Posted by holymadness

If I drank anything that reminded me of "barnyard" or "funk" I would pour it down the sink.
Those are exceedingly common in Burgundies. In fact, if you think the grape is Pinot Noir and are having a hard time figuring out if it's New or Old World, the presence of barnyard on the nose will tell you it's most likely a Frenchie.

Beetleything · Dec 11, 2010

Originally Posted by audiophilia

The dead soldiers.

Cattier is a very good, inexpensive Champagne. The Syrah (very much enjoyed last week on its own) was too heavy after the excellent Rhones. Biggest disappointment was the expensive Burrowing Owl Cabernet. Far too fruit forward for my tastes, especially after the translucent and effortless Rhones. Maybe, on its own or with strong cheese it would be better. The Burrowing Owl Meritage is so much better. A gorgeous blend and very balanced. The JLohr filled in valiantly as an extra bottle at the end of the night, just because.

That said, a wonderful evening with very good friends. A perfect compliment to good wines.

I have tried a few BO's and find them all way too expensive for what they are..which i find the case with most Canadian wines.
Over hyped and over priced.

Most of it - certainly the BO is made about 2-3 hours from me yet is 20 -30 dollars!!!
I just went down to Washington state and had some really nice wines for way less...one was 17.99 in asupermarket - i saw up here for 45!

Taxes i suppose.

kwilkinson · Dec 11, 2010

Originally Posted by holymadness

If I drank anything that reminded me of "barnyard" or "funk" I would pour it down the sink.

+1. Sounds yucky.

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