Self Edge x Flat Head x RingRing = SEXFHXRR10

damn, i'd cry if i got a crotch blow on those...

Originally Posted by DuSuz

Click to expand...

Almost $500 is ridiculous

I don't know if it's ridiculous -- in all likelihood, the margin on these is similar to other items SelfEdge carries. A three-way collab, everyone has to get paid. Still, it's a hefty price tag. Curious to see people's impressions.

Originally Posted by Uncontrol

Click to expand...

I don't know if it's ridiculous -- in all likelihood, the margin on these is similar to other items SelfEdge carries. A three-way collab, everyone has to get paid. Still, it's a hefty price tag. Curious to see people's impressions.
It's basically that there are basic costs that have to be paid no matter how small the run and then you get into add. costs per unit. If you add a very rare and specific fabric (left hand twill, japanese mill, purple shade) and good workmanship you get a pretty nice product. Now I gotta confess ringring is pretty much the guy that knows more about jeans I've seen discuss the topic so I tend to respect what he says and does. Selfedge keeps releasing very nice pairs of jeans, I don't see the point in buying them all as I'd say it's nicer to focus on a few pairs but if you have to get only three this could be one of these...

Originally Posted by Uncontrol

Click to expand...

I don't know if it's ridiculous -- in all likelihood, the margin on these is similar to other items SelfEdge carries. A three-way collab, everyone has to get paid. Still, it's a hefty price tag. Curious to see people's impressions.

The price point is still double that of a regular pair of Flatheads
Do the subtle differences x collabo really justify the extra cost?

Only on a place like this could people consider jeans that are 500$ not absolutely ridiculous. Maybe they are awesome, I don't know, but outside a forum like this, that is laughable! Even 200$... but this is SF! So let the discussion continue!

I once wrote a 17 page paper on raw denim. RingRing was my number one resource. This is some legit stuff

Originally Posted by Fuuma

Click to expand...

It's basically that there are basic costs that have to be paid no matter how small the run and then you get into add. costs per unit. If you add a very rare and specific fabric (left hand twill, japanese mill, purple shade) and good workmanship you get a pretty nice product. Now I gotta confess ringring is pretty much the guy that knows more about jeans I've seen discuss the topic so I tend to respect what he says and does.

Selfedge keeps releasing very nice pairs of jeans, I don't see the point in buying them all as I'd say it's nicer to focus on a few pairs but if you have to get only three this could be one of these...

Yeah from what I understand the opportunity cost in producing jeans like this and the yield is pretty brutal. Flathead's production has, like any good japanese production line, been optimized for the specific production of their usual 5 pocket jeans. There are some drastically different construction techniques used for this pair which required more overhead in training and ramping up means they are made slower and more mistakes are made so fewer pass qc. Think of it in terms of how many 300 dollar jeans they could have made versus 1 485 dollar jean. The ratio is probably more than 485/300.

Of course that might just be pre wallet-**** rationalization as I think I've sold myself on buying two pairs.

Why? I'm a filthy hoarder and a consumer whore in one! Thank god my quarterly bonus is getting paid out in 1-3 weeks depending on which paycheck it hits.

I am 100% down with these jeans and Kiya is a badass motherfucker, but I can't shake the image of a group of Japanese business dudes who own mills cackling as they warm their hands over a bonfire fueled by selvedge and hype dollars.

I'm not trolling this, these look sicker than all of sub-Saharan Africa.

Well given the strength of the yen versus the dollar I think there's less cackling than you think ;p

all the details had me salivating and i was thinking of copping if it was the usual collab price, but i too poor

These look sick, I'm grabbing a pair for sure. Consider the yen's strength at 80 to the dollar. Flat Head's special editions are about 35,000 yen in Japan so $450-500 is the right, current price. Sucks for us in the US but that's life. Either way, a three way, well thought out, limited edition collaboration warrants a higher price in my opinion.

Originally Posted by lmaozedong

Click to expand...

I once wrote a 17 page paper on raw denim.
Lolwut? That's awesome. I actually would like to read this, is it available on the interweb? Also, these jeans have a lot of unique features and are totally unreplicable, I have a SelfEdge credit burning a hole in my pocket, and I will probably buy only 1 pair of jeans this year. So is $500 too high a price? Not necessarily.

Originally Posted by grit

Click to expand...

Lolwut? That's awesome. I actually would like to read this, is it available on the interweb?

Also, these jeans have a lot of unique features and are totally unreplicable, I have a SelfEdge credit burning a hole in my pocket, and I will probably buy only 1 pair of jeans this year. So is $500 too high a price? Not necessarily.

this was a preliminary draft and i wrote another page or two after this one but it'll give you a general idea. apologies because the writing was a little messy at this stage
http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk...0&postcount=72
http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk...2&postcount=73
http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk...4&postcount=74

Originally Posted by goatamous

Click to expand...

The price point is still double that of a regular pair of Flatheads Do the subtle differences x collabo really justify the extra cost?
e: was already beaten to it. so ill just say this: "price point"