Who makes higher stance 2 button suits like this?

razl · Sep 30, 2010

I am 6'3 and only have mid to high stance 3 button jackets and suits. I don't think I've ever seen a high stance 2 button and certainly not one that I thought would work on my frame - but was surprised when I saw this:

Clearly, that top button is above his navel. I'll also grant that it's possible those might be some lower-than usual waisted pants playing some visual trickery. While I found that he's (Corey Pavin) shorter than me at 5'9", it looks like the whole team is wearing the same suit and there are some taller fellows in there.

So - does anyone know who makes that suit and/or comparable stance 2-buttons?

bellyhungry · Sep 30, 2010

I recall reading somewhere that it is by Hickey Freeman. Obviously not from their OTR offering.

Now anyone can ID those shoes? Darlton by RL?

malat · Sep 30, 2010

Not too long ago, I purchased a Hugo Boss Selection 2-button suit with a higher button stance like that.

TRINI · Oct 1, 2010

Isaia

amplifiedheat · Oct 1, 2010

The combination of too-high-cut jacket and low-rise pants is one of the most common rookie mistakes I see. The result is a shorter leg line combined with a smaller chest region--you couldn't break up your silhouette better if you tried.

Ianiceman · Oct 1, 2010

Don't do it man. I am biased towards three button jackets. Get a high stance two and you're risking the triangle of death where the quarters open up to reveal a glimpse of shirt and belt as in that picture. Hideous!

razl · Oct 1, 2010

Originally Posted by Ianiceman

Don't do it man. I am biased towards three button jackets. Get a high stance two and you're risking the triangle of death where the quarters open up to reveal a glimpse of shirt and belt as in that picture. Hideous!

Hmmm, I had to think about this for a second because when I wear a SC casually I don't mind the belt glimpse (though showing shirt is too much), but I think you're right in regards to a suit - I wouldn't want my belt showing.

I never though to distinguish between the two until now. And/or, maybe others find it hideous even casually...hmmm.

madcurry · Oct 1, 2010

Originally Posted by amplifiedheat

The combination of too-high-cut jacket and low-rise pants is one of the most common rookie mistakes I see. The result is a shorter leg line combined with a smaller chest region--you couldn't break up your silhouette better if you tried.
I was trying on a Zegna jacket while accompanied by a female friend that I trust regarding clothing fit. I am 5'9" with a very stocky 44 R build with thick legs that can tend to look short. I usually consider a Zegna 2 button to be a good off the rack fit for me. My friend commented that she liked everything about the fit, except the button stance. She recommended a high button stance, indicating that the jacket made my legs look short. Would a higher button stance help to create a good leg line with appropriate full rise trousers? Is it better to just go with a 3 button Jacket?

geoffmartin17 · Oct 1, 2010

I have a Borrelli jacket that is like that - fit pics sometime soon?

(maybe)

DocHolliday · Oct 1, 2010

Originally Posted by razl

So - does anyone know who makes that suit and/or comparable stance 2-buttons?

Everyone, or so it seems from SF.

I don't get it.

Reevolving · Oct 1, 2010

Originally Posted by amplifiedheat

The combination of too-high-cut jacket and low-rise pants is one of the most common rookie mistakes I see. The result is a shorter leg line combined with a smaller chest region--you couldn't break up your silhouette better if you tried.

Com'on, there are dozens more rookie mistakes that are more common. Sleeve length, square shoes, baggy fit, etc etc etc. A wrong button stance is a fairly "advanced" mistake.

amplifiedheat · Oct 2, 2010

Originally Posted by madcurry

I was trying on a Zegna jacket while accompanied by a female friend that I trust regarding clothing fit. I am 5'9" with a very stocky 44 R build with thick legs that can tend to look short. I usually consider a Zegna 2 button to be a good off the rack fit for me. My friend commented that she liked everything about the fit, except the button stance. She recommended a high button stance, indicating that the jacket made my legs look short. Would a higher button stance help to create a good leg line with appropriate full rise trousers? Is it better to just go with a 3 button Jacket?

There is exactly one consideration on button stance: Does the jacket button at your natural waist? (Natural waist=narrowest part of the torso.)

I'm reminded of the time a woman who considered herself quite knowledgeable on clothes told me that black shoes didn't go with a navy suit. "What does, then?" I asked. "Navy shoes," she said, without a trace of irony.

Journeyman · Oct 2, 2010

Originally Posted by amplifiedheat

There is exactly one consideration on button stance: Does the jacket button at your natural waist? (Natural waist=narrowest part of the torso.)

I'm reminded of the time a woman who considered herself quite knowledgeable on clothes told me that black shoes didn't go with a navy suit. "What does, then?" I asked. "Navy shoes," she said, without a trace of irony.

Well, of course, it's very common for women to wear shoes that match the colour of at least part of their clothing and it's easy for them to get shoes in a wide range of colours.

However (as can be seen from some of the bespoke shoe threads) it is possible to get navy shoes, in addition to other colours.

I remember having a conversation with my father about twenty years ago, when he mentioned that he used to have a pair of very dark navy shoes that he would wear with navy suits. I was horrified by the idea at the time (blue shoes! shoes should only be brown or black!) but over time I have come to appreciate the idea more and more.

amplifiedheat · Oct 2, 2010

Originally Posted by Journeyman

Well, of course, it's very common for women to wear shoes that match the colour of at least part of their clothing and it's easy for them to get shoes in a wide range of colours.

Just the point. The principles of women's clothing frequently don't apply to men's clothing. Women, for instance, sometimes wear dresses with an apparent waist just below the breasts. Such a high cut would be comical on a man's jacket. (Empire waists are also quite comical on women, but that's for another day.)

comrade · Oct 2, 2010

If I recall correctly, Wilkes Bashford in SanFrancisco has (had?) two button
sportcoats from Belvest with a highish stance. To my mind, nicer than the
peasants shown in the previous post.

Who makes higher stance 2 button suits like this?

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