The poker tips and bragging thread

Originally Posted by SpooPoker

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While I was waiting for someone, I took $100 to a $2/4 NL table. Posted my BB, 1st hand AK offsuit. call call call, button raises to $10 I reraise to $20. fold fold, heads up, flop is K 7 4. He bets $6 I raise to $12 he calls. turn is another K (2 diamonds on board), he bets $35, I reraise all in, he calls. Shows pocket 7s for 7s full of kings over my trip kings A kicker. ONE ******* HAND.

You played the hand terribly. You're so short stacked that given the action you should be going all in preflop here every time.

Originally Posted by zbromer

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Thanks for your expertise, alan. As I said:



I knew this thread would turn into guys puffing their chest about how much more they know more about poker than others and talking **** about about why they think others are stupid.

As I said,"starting hand." Is it the best hand in terms of becoming profitable? No. Not at all. Is it the best hand to start with in terms of percent chance to win? Yes.

Thanks for being an ass and proving me right about this thread, though.

I think he is referring to the PLO8 hand, and if so he may be correct depending on stack sizes.

Here is another reason I'm not willing to play online with random people:

Whats to stop 2 or 3 guys on IM feeding eachother their hands? They could sit there all day mopping up.

Originally Posted by Superfluous Man

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You played the hand terribly. You're so short stacked that given the action you should be going all in preflop here every time.

he didnt play the hand terribly man, it's all easy to critique in hindsight isnt it?

he just had a bad beat that was all. ****.


yeah, the action of sitting down shortstacked is a little foolhardy at a no limit, but dont blame his play in that hand

Originally Posted by Pennglock

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Would have to be FTP for me man. Pokerstars claims I owe them several thousand dollars and I have no intention of ever paying.

wha? how does this happen?

Originally Posted by Superfluous Man

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I think he is referring to the PLO8 hand, and if so he may be correct depending on stack sizes.

There is no low possible in the O8 hand example I gave. That automatically makes it a not great starting hand. Starting hand being key. You win at O8 by scooping. That was the whole point of my example. AA wins you high hands. It does you no good without low cards, though. You don't make money in O8 winning just high hands like you do in hold 'em.

Any hand can be great depending on stack size and position. Your cards don't matter. I'm talking about percents. This is my point: AA is the best starting hand in hold 'em, based on winning percents. It's not necessarily the best hand to have in terms of making money. AAXX with no low possibilty is far from the best starting hand in O8. People often don't grasp this basic concept and hurt themselves when playing O8.

Originally Posted by sho'nuff

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he didnt play the hand terribly man, it's all easy to critique in hindsight isnt it?

he just had a bad beat that was all. ****.


yeah, the action of sitting down shortstacked is a little foolhardy at a no limit, but dont blame his play in that hand

Hindsight has nothing to do with it as the results of the hand aren't relevant at all. His play is easily exploitable by $400nl regulars.

Originally Posted by zbromer

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There is no low possible in the O8 hand example I gave. That automatically makes it a not great starting hand. Starting hand being key. You win at O8 by scooping. That was the whole point of my example. AA wins you high hands. It does you no good without low cards, though. You don't make money in O8 winning just high hands like you do in hold 'em.

Any hand can be great depending on stack size and position. Your cards don't matter. I'm talking about percents. This is my point: AA is the best starting hand in hold 'em, based on winning percents. It's not necessarily the best hand to have in terms of making money. AAXX with no low possibilty is far from the best starting hand in O8. People often don't grasp this basic concept and hurt themselves when playing O8.

Meh, the hand in question has roughly 47% equity against ak32 double suited so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by Superfluous Man

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You played the hand terribly. You're so short stacked that given the action you should be going all in preflop here every time.

Originally Posted by sho'nuff

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he didnt play the hand terribly man, it's all easy to critique in hindsight isnt it?

he just had a bad beat that was all. ****.


yeah, the action of sitting down shortstacked is a little foolhardy at a no limit, but dont blame his play in that hand

Originally Posted by Superfluous Man

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Hindsight has nothing to do with it as the results of the hand aren't relevant at all. His play is easily exploitable by $400nl regulars.

I dont think that I played it terribly at all. Everyone at the table has between $80-$200 bankrolls, I sit down with $100. Putting 10% of my stack in the pot on AK offsuit I think was fair, plus I reraised, I didnt slowplay it. I played aggressive all the way, and he just lucked out by hitting a boat.

I strongly disagree that it was played poorly.

Originally Posted by SpooPoker

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I dont think that I played it terribly at all. Everyone at the table has between $80-$200 bankrolls, I sit down with $100. Putting 10% of my stack in the pot on AK offsuit I think was fair, plus I reraised, I didnt slowplay it. I played aggressive all the way, and he just lucked out by hitting a boat. I strongly disagree that it was played poorly.
you played it terribly, it was a donk move, AKos is a drawing hand, you have no fold equity when you min-reraise, any hand that calls there have you beat, you should at least re raised it to 30 and snap call a shove, or if he flat calls, you shove flop unless it's all low cards(i'd shove regardless, since you are committed at that point). 77s were ahead of you the whole time, it's not even a bad beat. go watch some card runner videos or read liquidpoker.net, and you will realize that your play was fishy. either buy in min or full, dont ever buy in half stack....

Originally Posted by laughwithm3

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you played it terribly, it was a donk move, AKos is a drawing hand, you have no fold equity when you min-reraise, any hand that calls there have you beat, you should at least re raised it to 30 and snap call a shove, or if he flat calls, you shove flop unless it's all low cards(i'd shove regardless, since you are committed at that point). 77s were ahead of you the whole time, it's not even a bad beat.

go watch some card runner videos or read liquidpoker.net, and you will realize that your play was fishy. either buy in min or full, dont ever buy in half stack....

Im sorry, Im not shoving all in unsuited AK preflop in a cash game, nor am I raising to 30. I came in by posting a blind and the guy raised just before me. If thats the hand you got dealt hand number one and someone raised your post, youre telling me you wouldnt reraise marginally to try and get other callers on the table and fluff the pot? Im not trying to isolate the guy for raising $4 friggin bucks. Im trying to build a pot.

And if you looked, the avg. chipstack was about mine, the suggested "take to table" when you start is $80, and I had $100. The high stack had $205, so I did not buy in half stacked. I think you have this one a little off, or your play is far too reckless for me to understand.

Originally Posted by SpooPoker

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Im sorry, Im not shoving all in unsuited AK preflop in a cash game, nor am I raising to 30. I came in by posting a blind and the guy raised just before me. If thats the hand you got dealt hand number one and someone raised your post, youre telling me you wouldnt reraise marginally to try and get other callers on the table and fluff the pot? Im not trying to isolate the guy for raising $4 friggin bucks. Im trying to build a pot. And if you looked, the avg. chipstack was about mine, the suggested "take to table" when you start is $80, and I had $100. The high stack had $205, so I did not buy in half stacked. I think you have this one a little off, or your play is far too reckless for me to understand.
Raise preflop, iso and c-beting is crucial , that's where you make enough profit to negate your loss in other missed drawing hands/set mines. why do you want to build a pot with multiple people when you don't even have a made hand? AK plays great against less number of people Since you were out of position on that hand, you have to play aggressively and isolate as much as possible, because BB only has position on one player... when the button raises, most of the time, he doesn't have a great starting hand, so you either reraise 3x and get it in(sometimes it induces a shove from him with a worse hand, because he knew that you know he doesn't have a strong hand alot of the time, and you are trying to 3bet bluff him) or you flat to trap. NL poker has been very aggressive for years now, i don't even have an super aggressive style, what i'm saying to you is standard tight aggressive . usually most people try to sit on tables where other players buy in full, so you can stack them when your drawing hands hit. if you see a table with bunch of players short stacking, just dont sit there

spoo. poker 'players' always talk after the fact. like they know everything. look at hellmuth spouting off everytime he loses a hand. 'he was supposed to fold that hand' . pssht. ******.


poeple always around the table talk after the hand is over. oh you caught my card. youre suposed to do this or that. i wouldnt play it like that. etc.

pshht. theybe doing the same thing i did if they had the same exact hand and circumstance.

i'm just giving a little advice, because spoo's play was not optimal imo.
i will lose my entire stack there too because hitting trips in a reraised pot is godly, but at least by raising to 30 pf, his call pf with 77 was not a optimal call, since sets only hit 12% of the time, and he will fold to my c-bet alot of the time when anything above 10 comes on the flop regardless if i hit my A or K.

Originally Posted by sho'nuff

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spoo. poker 'players' always talk after the fact. like they know everything. look at hellmuth spouting off everytime he loses a hand. 'he was supposed to fold that hand' . pssht. ******.


poeple always around the table talk after the hand is over. oh you caught my card. youre suposed to do this or that. i wouldnt play it like that. etc.

pshht. theybe doing the same thing i did if they had the same exact hand and circumstance.

I agree with you Sho - Ive been playing for the past 18 years, I know the deal. Im by no means the best player in the world, but Ive got more hours at a table than most people do. Not reading some online 'zine or watching WPT reruns